OT - California is on fire...

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,680
    edited August 2020

    We had census people out. They wanted to know about the home next door....which oddly has been empty for a year. So  it is nice they are so thorough to be interested in that.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618

    I guess they get sick of people singing Annie's Song devil

  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 1,939

    I heard on the news there were bulls chasing the firefighters.

  • SamanthieSamanthie Posts: 308

    I'm in California and the sky has been overcast (with smoke) all day. Eyes burn, we sneeze and cough a bit and have been inside trying to avoid the smoke. I have three air purifiers going atm. Anyway hope and pray the fires get under control soon and that our firefighters stay safe.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,783

    Californians are resilient.

    When I got up, smoke and ash fall from the sky. It coats the ground like dandruff.  The sky is yellow and orange, and I work indoors talking to customers on google voice about their computer problems and cable tv and modem problems the house smells like woodsmoke,

    resilient is not the word I would use, LOL If I woke to those conditions, I would pack up the car and go somewhere a bit safer. then again, if I had any kind of earthquake tremor I would do the same also.

    i guess when you are used to certain kinds of conditions, situations, it's not as big of a deal. last year we had a tornado warning and i was monitoring it and watching on my balcony when my new neighbors ran out of the apt freaking out since they weren't from here. I calmly gave then directions of situations and what they should do and afterward the wife brought be cake for helping them thru it, LOL. I've been thru several tornados, so they don't really faze me much.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,680

    Californians are resilient.

    When I got up, smoke and ash fall from the sky. It coats the ground like dandruff.  The sky is yellow and orange, and I work indoors talking to customers on google voice about their computer problems and cable tv and modem problems the house smells like woodsmoke,

    resilient is not the word I would use, LOL If I woke to those conditions, I would pack up the car and go somewhere a bit safer. then again, if I had any kind of earthquake tremor I would do the same also.

    i guess when you are used to certain kinds of conditions, situations, it's not as big of a deal. last year we had a tornado warning and i was monitoring it and watching on my balcony when my new neighbors ran out of the apt freaking out since they weren't from here. I calmly gave then directions of situations and what they should do and afterward the wife brought be cake for helping them thru it, LOL. I've been thru several tornados, so they don't really faze me much.

    Aww! you are such a nice neighbor.  You definitely deserve CAKE. 

    Sadly, there isn't many places one CAN go unless it is far. Hotels in California are pricy, and full up in summer time. With refugees, covid-19 and other restrictions, it seems easier to stay in. The places one normally might go to, mountains, beach, or whatever, are packed and SMOKEY.

    If they do evacuate us, it is to a place  like a grade school, which would likely be covid-19 risk. 

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,797
    NylonGirl said:

    I heard on the news there were bulls chasing the firefighters.

    Must be Red Bluff. Hubby and I did coverage for dragboat news and would camp out there for 2 weeks in toy trailer. In Red Bluff the bulls get to run thru main street (banks shops etc) Guess the bulls got 'hot' headed. Last night we left windows open because the temp outside 84 was lower than what was in our house (AC broke) and accidently left a whole house ceiling fan on. This morning the smell of smoke was so strog we thought the ceiling fan was running hot and maybe we had an electrical fire. Outside the sky had that look it gets when the fires run wild. So I googled fires here in CA where I live. Who knew we had a volcano fire.

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  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,797
    edited August 2020

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    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    I disagree. You can't fight a hurricane, floods or a tornado, but you can fight a fire. And sometimes they are not a natural disaster. Some of those going on right now were caused by humans, responsible for the majority of fires in the US.

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  • edited August 2020

    As Charlie Judge already mentioned... 7thStone (that's me!) has had to evacuate due to the California CZU fires. I'm currently writing this from a hotel in San Jose California. My family and I live up in the Santa Cruz mountains, in the San Lorenzo River Valley, near Boulder Creek and Bonny Doon. I grew up in the forests of Connecticut early on and my family and I fell in love with the redwoods of California when my father's work brought us here.

    The community we live in has a history in logging and some gold mining back in the early 1900s, but their are records and interesting tails from earlier times when grizzlies used to inhabit the mountains. Later, this area became a summer vacation spot for the San Francisco city folk. The mountains are full of history if you look close or know were to look. Many of the homes are quite old and some were once vacation cabins. Part of the history of the area is the fact that the redwood forests naturally burn every once in a great while, often due to lightening. The evidence is there to see in the way past fires have scared these mighty trees, but not killed them.

    My family and I have been expecting, but not looking forward to just such a fire. Over the years we've been doing what we can here and there to prepare our home for fire. For example, we had the wood siding removed from our home and replaced with cement board siding (looks like wood but will not burn like wood), and have worked year after year to clear the duf and debrie under the redwoods around our property. Now we will see if anything we did will pay off. God help us, we will see. My family has lived through the 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake, which rocked these mountain (Epicenter was here) and caused severe damage to San Francisco. It damaged our house as well (it nearly came off its foundations), but we rebuilt and built stronger. We've been through mudslides, and even survived a massive, four foot diameter pine tree falling on our house. Yes, we may be nuts, but we love it here. It just so sad that California is going down the toilet politically speaking, but I won't say anything more about that here (It wouldn't be appropriate.) All these disasters have kind of turned us into prepers. Many people up here could be described similarly, and are resilient. You have to be to live in the mountains. We will see how we come through this latest disaster...

    As always... I wish everyone well!

    Oh, as of yet, there is no word on whether or not our house has survived. Kind of 50/50 odds at the moment, from the look of things. Don't know when we will be able to get back up there. I will update when I can, Might even try posting pictures. Emotions are up and down for now, and frazzled dealing with the evacuation.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,333

    Californians are resilient.

    When I got up, smoke and ash fall from the sky. It coats the ground like dandruff.  The sky is yellow and orange, and I work indoors talking to customers on google voice about their computer problems and cable tv and modem problems the house smells like woodsmoke,

    resilient is not the word I would use, LOL If I woke to those conditions, I would pack up the car and go somewhere a bit safer. then again, if I had any kind of earthquake tremor I would do the same also.

    i guess when you are used to certain kinds of conditions, situations, it's not as big of a deal. last year we had a tornado warning and i was monitoring it and watching on my balcony when my new neighbors ran out of the apt freaking out since they weren't from here. I calmly gave then directions of situations and what they should do and afterward the wife brought be cake for helping them thru it, LOL. I've been thru several tornados, so they don't really faze me much.

    Aww! you are such a nice neighbor.  You definitely deserve CAKE. 

    Sadly, there isn't many places one CAN go unless it is far. Hotels in California are pricy, and full up in summer time. With refugees, covid-19 and other restrictions, it seems easier to stay in. The places one normally might go to, mountains, beach, or whatever, are packed and SMOKEY.

    If they do evacuate us, it is to a place  like a grade school, which would likely be covid-19 risk. 

    I've never visited but now I think if I even get to it will be in winter. 

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,749

     

    Oh, as of yet, there is no word on whether or not our house has survived. Kind of 50/50 odds at the moment, from the look of things. Don't know when we will be able to get back up there. I will update when I can, Might even try posting pictures. Emotions are up and down for now, and frazzled dealing with the evacuation.

    I'm praying for your family and I hope that your house makes it through ok. Please keep us posted. For now, try not to stress (pretty impossible, I'm sure - but try and do something to take your mind off of it). *big hugs*

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    That and rising sea level are the reasons that I don't invest in Florida property.  Oh that, and the fact that I have no money to invest with.indecision

  • dracorndracorn Posts: 2,345

    Oh, as of yet, there is no word on whether or not our house has survived. Kind of 50/50 odds at the moment, from the look of things. Don't know when we will be able to get back up there. I will update when I can, Might even try posting pictures. Emotions are up and down for now, and frazzled dealing with the evacuation.

    Hang in there, @7th Stone Productions.  I have a family member who lived in Paradise for 40 years, so I know what you are going through.  It's very emotional.  I'm praying that your home stays safe and more importantly, you and your family stay safe.  

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    That and rising sea level are the reasons that I don't invest in Florida property.  Oh that, and the fact that I have no money to invest with.indecision

    A place that has next to no life threatening animals on land or water, doesn't have tornado's, hurricane's, tsunami's and/or wildfire seasons, a place where the continental crust is stable and over 30 miles thick (surpassed only by the Himalayas) and the ground level is rising faster than the sea = Finland

  • As Charlie Judge already mentioned... 7thStone (that's me!) has had to evacuate due to the California CZU fires. I'm currently writing this from a hotel in San Jose California. My family and I live up in the Santa Cruz mountains, in the San Lorenzo River Valley, near Boulder Creek and Bonny Doon. I grew up in the forests of Connecticut early on and my family and I fell in love with the redwoods of California when my father's work brought us here.

     

    I used to live near you, at Quail Hollow ranch over in Felton...and was a horse guide in the Henry Cowell redwood park in highschool. Yes, there were big burn scars on the trees, so we  knew the forest could survive a pretty big fire. I still think it is one of the most beautiful places on earth- hope your home is safe!

    And good luck to all you Californians dealing with the smoke,  have a daughter in L.A. that can not even go outside right now due to the smoke ;  (

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,333
    PerttiA said:
    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    That and rising sea level are the reasons that I don't invest in Florida property.  Oh that, and the fact that I have no money to invest with.indecision

    A place that has next to no life threatening animals on land or water, doesn't have tornado's, hurricane's, tsunami's and/or wildfire seasons, a place where the continental crust is stable and over 30 miles thick (surpassed only by the Himalayas) and the ground level is rising faster than the sea = Finland

    If it's rising either the crust is rising and so not stable or it's a moor with massive amounts of organic matter accumulating or it's melting icecap, ice, and permfrost causing the ground to expand again. It can be a combination of those too. I doubt in the second or third cases it's still rising faster than the sea level is currently rising. I've seen 1st hand effects of melted ice converted to torential rains new to my areas pummeling the back of my house to not believe that global warming is happening.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    PerttiA said:
    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    That and rising sea level are the reasons that I don't invest in Florida property.  Oh that, and the fact that I have no money to invest with.indecision

    A place that has next to no life threatening animals on land or water, doesn't have tornado's, hurricane's, tsunami's and/or wildfire seasons, a place where the continental crust is stable and over 30 miles thick (surpassed only by the Himalayas) and the ground level is rising faster than the sea = Finland

    If it's rising either the crust is rising and so not stable or it's a moor with massive amounts of organic matter accumulating or it's melting icecap, ice, and permfrost causing the ground to expand again. It can be a combination of those too. I doubt in the second or third cases it's still rising faster than the sea level is currently rising. I've seen 1st hand effects of melted ice converted to torential rains new to my areas pummeling the back of my house to not believe that global warming is happening.

    The rising is due to post-glacial rebound and the rate is up to half an inch per year

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,191

    I guess they get sick of people singing Annie's Song devil

    I didn't immediately remember which song this was, so I looked up the lyrics, and I still don't get what you mean.

  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 1,939
    PerttiA said:
    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    That and rising sea level are the reasons that I don't invest in Florida property.  Oh that, and the fact that I have no money to invest with.indecision

    A place that has next to no life threatening animals on land or water, doesn't have tornado's, hurricane's, tsunami's and/or wildfire seasons, a place where the continental crust is stable and over 30 miles thick (surpassed only by the Himalayas) and the ground level is rising faster than the sea = Finland

    It's going to turn into a volcano.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,681
    edited August 2020
    NylonGirl said:
    PerttiA said:
    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    That and rising sea level are the reasons that I don't invest in Florida property.  Oh that, and the fact that I have no money to invest with.indecision

    A place that has next to no life threatening animals on land or water, doesn't have tornado's, hurricane's, tsunami's and/or wildfire seasons, a place where the continental crust is stable and over 30 miles thick (surpassed only by the Himalayas) and the ground level is rising faster than the sea = Finland

    It's going to turn into a volcano.

    Central Australia, is about as stable a place as it's going to get.  But take extra water with you.

    Actually, here in western NY State is quite nice.  East of the Great Lakes.  Winds are almost always from west to east over the lakes, bringing rain in the summer, and snow in the winter.  No significant earthquakes, low hills, so no landslides, a little flooding now and then but very localized and minor.   Tornados don't grow big here.  A few trees and a ramshackle barn may get downed but that's about it.  There's lots of forested area but the moist weather from the lakes keeps fire threat low.  Sinkholes are unheard of.  We're a thousand feet above sea level and 400 miles from the sea.  Hurricanes are just a longer rainy day by time they get here.  We've never had an elephant stampede.  The biggest disasters in this area have been the loss of the Chesnut trees 100 years ago, and the Dutch Elm disease taking the Elms in the last 50 years.  Yeah, we get a lot of snow in the winter, but we know how to deal with it.  And no big mountains so no avalanches either.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,618
    Gordig said:

    I guess they get sick of people singing Annie's Song devil

    I didn't immediately remember which song this was, so I looked up the lyrics, and I still don't get what you mean.

    in reference to the census collectors in the posts before

  • ButchButch Posts: 799
    NylonGirl said:
    PerttiA said:
    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    That and rising sea level are the reasons that I don't invest in Florida property.  Oh that, and the fact that I have no money to invest with.indecision

    A place that has next to no life threatening animals on land or water, doesn't have tornado's, hurricane's, tsunami's and/or wildfire seasons, a place where the continental crust is stable and over 30 miles thick (surpassed only by the Himalayas) and the ground level is rising faster than the sea = Finland

    It's going to turn into a volcano.

    Central Australia, is about as stable a place as it's going to get.  But take extra water with you.

    Actually, here in western NY State is quite nice.  East of the Great Lakes.  Winds are almost always from west to east over the lakes, bringing rain in the summer, and snow in the winter.  No significant earthquakes, low hills, so no landslides, a little flooding now and then but very localized and minor.   Tornados don't grow big here.  A few trees and a ramshackle barn may get downed but that's about it.  There's lots of forested area but the moist weather from the lakes keeps fire threat low.  Sinkholes are unheard of.  We're a thousand feet above sea level and 400 miles from the sea.  Hurricanes are just a longer rainy day by time they get here.  We've never had an elephant stampede.  The biggest disasters in this area have been the loss of the Chesnut trees 100 years ago, and the Dutch Elm disease taking the Elms in the last 50 years.  Yeah, we get a lot of snow in the winter, but we know how to deal with it.  And no big mountains so no avalanches either.

    Central Australia may not be all that great.  Depending of how much sea levels rise, it may revert back to being an inland sea. 

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310
    PerttiA said:
    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    That and rising sea level are the reasons that I don't invest in Florida property.  Oh that, and the fact that I have no money to invest with.indecision

    A place that has next to no life threatening animals on land or water, doesn't have tornado's, hurricane's, tsunami's and/or wildfire seasons, a place where the continental crust is stable and over 30 miles thick (surpassed only by the Himalayas) and the ground level is rising faster than the sea = Finland

    On the other hand, Finland is next door to Russia which has already invaded it once and kind of thinks it should be theirs.  Финляндия наш!

  • GlennFGlennF Posts: 141

    You can thank Al Gore for this.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    Sevrin said:
    PerttiA said:
    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    That and rising sea level are the reasons that I don't invest in Florida property.  Oh that, and the fact that I have no money to invest with.indecision

    A place that has next to no life threatening animals on land or water, doesn't have tornado's, hurricane's, tsunami's and/or wildfire seasons, a place where the continental crust is stable and over 30 miles thick (surpassed only by the Himalayas) and the ground level is rising faster than the sea = Finland

    On the other hand, Finland is next door to Russia which has already invaded it once and kind of thinks it should be theirs.  Финляндия наш!

    Nope... Finland was not invaded during WWII (by anyone), the russians tried twice and failed both times.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310
    PerttiA said:
    Sevrin said:
    PerttiA said:
    Ivy said:

    yet another reason I am glad I don't live in California. The worst natural things I have to deal with are drought, tornados and hail. I love the beach, but I am a realist and know that if there is a chance something can happen, it will at one point, no sense chancing it if I can help it which is why I will never live in a place where a hurricane can wipe out my house.

     

    Indeedyes

    That and rising sea level are the reasons that I don't invest in Florida property.  Oh that, and the fact that I have no money to invest with.indecision

    A place that has next to no life threatening animals on land or water, doesn't have tornado's, hurricane's, tsunami's and/or wildfire seasons, a place where the continental crust is stable and over 30 miles thick (surpassed only by the Himalayas) and the ground level is rising faster than the sea = Finland

    On the other hand, Finland is next door to Russia which has already invaded it once and kind of thinks it should be theirs.  Финляндия наш!

    Nope... Finland was not invaded during WWII (by anyone), the russians tried twice and failed both times.

    I was thinking of further back, after they nabbed it from the Swedes.

  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,373
    Ivy said:

    If I stick by the strict daz3d.com TOS. Then I am not allowed to post religion or politics, which means I am not allowed to post any "Doomsday Prediction" links  either (kind of religious).   But there is this very old silly conspiracy theory that there is a number of signs that are to single the the end of the world,  This year so far in 2020 we have met 5 of them. properly just coincidence though.devil

     So  I will leave you with a Song laugh

    End of the world as we know it

    Yeah, the Jyotish (Indian) astrologers are concerned about this time too.

    Oh yes, I know, I am so flaky.

  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,373

    There isn't a one size fits all situation. Usually it is humans and their activities that start fires. California burns because we have wet winters which creates fuel that burns in the fire season.  
     

    Controlled burns are noxious and hard on citizenry in the burn zones. Goats are a better solution and are implemented in some areas. Plus animal life is not list when goats are used. Unfortunately not enough goats to chomp through all the wilds of California. But some cities,have goats and herders on retainer.

    last year california had a lot of rain. That made a lot of weeds and brush. That is what is being fueled by the lightning.

    I can imagine the US Army Corp of Engineers having a draft of goats over the US, and a special Goat Division dispatched to different areas over the year.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,680
    edited August 2020

    Two local towns do the goats. This is a massive goat herd. The goats keep the undergrowth down and they employ a couple herders. It works really well, and they love eating things like poison oak and ivy which is hard to remove.

    these town have a lot of tourism and tourist even WANT to look at the goats doing their jobs.

    Where I live is an old decomisomed army base. Sadly there are still some munitions buried out in the barren areas, due to different standards at the time. The army has been  controlled burns to ignite the munitions but goats can't be used until that's all gone. Sadly...

    goats really are a good solution for underbrush control. Plus they employ people, and can just start over after eating a large enough area, so it is pretty sustainable. 

     

     

     
     

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