Sandio 3D Mouse, recommend?
Loony
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Hi,
I just looked through all the settings and found this: (edit: the noise does come from the forum upload, very evil converter!)
Then I googled, Ebay/Amazon doesnt really have them, I found with some "name changing" this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sandio-3D-Game-O2-High-Performance-Laser-Gaming-Mouse-NIB-/124149754989
"Sandio 3D Game O2"
And this horrible 240p Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au13hCMCub8
One user commented 8 years ago that the mouse is bad.
Thats one Website I found: https://www.ergocanada.com/products/mice/contoured/sandio/3d_game_o2/sandio_3DGameO2.html
(maybe the official?)
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So what think you? Is that good? The price is much cheaper as the 3Dconnexion Joystick, which looks smooth and I can assume its great! Mouse: 30$, 3D Joystick: 150$.
ANyone ever bought it, maybe our Mighty Lord Richard? :)
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Why would we recommend a dead product from a dead company that off the market for over ten years now?
Honestly, I wouldn't care and skip. I don't think it can be a worthful mouse at that price, leave alone a mouse PLUS 3D mouse. Decent optical rodents go for 60,- - +100,- alone, and there is reason for that. Then, I think it will require a steep learning curve to operate the desired axis and controls with one hand only.
A good mouse, depending on your preferences a "MMO" gaming mouse or an ergonimc variant might be the best choice, personally, and I cannot praise it enough, I am using "the Z" by swiftpoint - again, marketed as a gamer's peripheral it has a killer feature called "deep press" - actually all the buttons are pressure sensitive (or analog, if you will) so the force you press can e.g. alter your DPI which makes it more precise to navigate or adjust the harder you press. Just genius. I backed it on the original crowdfunding campaign and it has been one of my best (if not the best) experience in crowdfunding. With that being said, along with the Z they have a new model that limits the deep press to the main buttons not available on Indiegogo, justz saying for the interested.
3D mouse then, I would look for the simplest 3D connexion device - anything beyond the navigator/mouse is a luxury than IMHO can be dealt without. Just for the info, at work Im using the discontinued Sapce traveller which still works fine with old drivers even under Win10 with just little limited configurability. So, a used one might be an option to look into as well.
Combining a good, programmable mouse with loads of buttons plus this you will almost completely eliminate the need to reach for the keyboard.
Yeah I expected its no longer supported, well... daz3d does include a Option for such a dead product :P and that without any plugin or whatever, seems like daz3d find it soo good that they made it as standard... I ask me why is Meshgrabber not a Standard from daz3d :/
Thats just a Must have, to be able to edit the geo like you can do with meshgrabber.
@Kggrosser...(to long name^^)
That mouse? Looks futuristic :o I never used a "MMO Mouse" I have since I know them, always a Mouse with 2 side buttons, but daz3d is not able to use the side buttons for Hotkeys, do you know how to set them? Because your mouse looks much more complex, so I assume you know how to set hotkeys for extra buttons.
"so the force you press can e.g. alter your DPI which makes it more precise to navigate or adjust the harder you press." Sounds like those Pencils for the graphictablets! So you can use that mouse like a pen for drawing? :o
"With that being said, along with the Z they have a new model that limits the deep press to the main buttons not available on Indiegogo, justz saying for the interested."
That do I not understand. "not available" uhm... they.. dont have the mouse or sorry, I don't get it (I am German^^, not perfect in English).
"using the discontinued Sapce traveller " what is that? Can you link it me please?
The standard 3D connexion looks good, I think the bigger ones with extra buttons would be just too much, I am not even sure what I should place on all the buttons^^.... and I use ONLY Daz3d, no Blender, no Zbrush etc, only Gimp :)
That's something the forum chose for me on registering in 2012, never found a way to crreat a custom name or alter it. ;)
Yes, that one, however, is NOT a MMO mouse, much better, though.
MMO mice look like a hybrid between mouse and oldfashioned cell phone with typically a numpad for the thumb. Und weil du deutsch bist habe ich sogar'n Link:
https://oneofswords.com/beste-mmo-maus/
No, but you can program that mouse to execute macros including hotkeys and there are a lots of these within DAZ ;)
Not exactly, a digitizer/pen lets you draw more accurately due to how you hold it. Also, with digitiuzers, the stronger you put it to the tablet the more "thicker" the stroke gets. While you sure ly can program the Z to increase tool size via deep click it's not pressing the mouse down but how strong you "klick" the button. And what I have set it up to is to decrease the pointer speed with more force on the left button. So the harder I press the finer i can make the adjustments e.g. to the parameter slider or dragging limbs.
That was my English (or autocorrect) throwing a curve ball "NOW available" was the intended one :) I don't know if the rules allow to post links to a store, so, just go Indiegogo and search for "Swiftpoint"
As said discontinued, so your bets will be on ebay etc...
@Kgrosser
https://www.daz3d.com/customer/account/edit/changepass/1/
There you go to change your username :)
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Those mouses with 6-9 buttons are... overloading me :( I bought last month my FIRST keaboard with M1-M9 buttons and hell I press SO MUCH TIMES on that buttons when I wanna presss on STRG or ESC... my fingers are going to the left side and the left buttons are those M buttons -.- (and my old keyboard had one button POWER, to shutdown the PC I loved it... I miss it ;( )
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---- (endlich den blockquote Knopf gefunden!) what macros do you use? :D I have the tools on combos like Shift+S = surface select, Shift+T = Translate, shift+R = rotate. Such things.
Sad... did hope I could finally use my Mouse to adjust the airbrush/pencil drawing strenght, the mouse is in generel to overladed, the other mouse you mentioned does that have also such pressure thing but with lesser buttons? the deep click thing sounds interesting, but the Z mouse is too overloaded.
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Oh its also a 3D controller, but well, daz3d have a standard plugin for 3d connexion or how it was called, not this thing space traveller, so it would be harder to implement, do I assume.
Hmmm, doesn't work for me. I can add a gender, though :)
Undo/redo are my absloute favorites but changing the tool on the fly is not a bad option either ;)
You absolutely can do this, it just requires altering the pressure on the mouse button which is not completely as ergonomic as using a digitizer. re overloaded: you get used to it, believ me, and if not, you don't have to. Oh and it supports various profiles so you can have one optimized for DS, one for Gimp and one for gaming, if that floats your boat.
It's not a 3D mouse in the way the 3D Connexion controllers are, rather it's a mouse plus joystick which has - contrary to 3D Connexion hardware - no generic support in DS.
3D connexion devices on the other hand exactly require to be explicitly supported by the program you want to use it in. (There is a nifty tool called "Control My Joystick" which also supports these to be used as, well, joysticks and keyboard/mouse, but that's a whole nother story).
Anyway, 3D Connexion (a Logitech spin-off, actually and the team behing their Cyberman and Nulooq) is just the manufacturer/brand and their products they have a long history being named SpacePilot, SpaceTraveller, and SpaceNavigator, etc. with the whole product line recently just renamed to "SpaceMouse" plus extension. So the SpaceNavigator effectively resemples the exact hardware of the current SpaceMouse while the SpaceTraveller being the precedessor and all of these devices work perfectly fine with DS and will speed up your workflow considerably.
(Btw. I just found 2 offers on ebay Kleinanzeigen for the Navigator in the Munich area one as low as 60,- EUR).
Are you sure you did go to this?
you clicked NOT MY Link!
you did go HERE:
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/profile/edit
please use MY LINK, not go to your own :P -> https://www.daz3d.com/customer/account/edit/changepass/1/
I only found it from my own thread... its NOT in the froum settings ;)....
(Mein Kopf tut weh, was hast du gesagt? xD .... too much for me)
well, daz3d have support for 3d Connexion but not for Space thingy, so I should focus on Logitechs toy.
Apparently I did not. Too blind to see the obvious. THANK YOU!!
I think it's fine if I throw in a bit of German here for you:
Das sind Namen verschiedener älterer Produkte von 3D Connexion. Aktuelle Produkte heissen alle "SpaceMouse" . Alle werden aber von DS unterstützt. Nur nicht verwechselm mit dem SpaceBall bzw. SpaceController von SpaceControl - das ist nämlich eine konkurrierende deutsche Firma :)
https://www.ebay.de/itm/3dconnexion-Magellan-Space-Mouse-Serial-RS-232/313194120204?hash=item48ebd3040c:g:fPkAAOSwOapewlr0
That? xD.... with those special 90's touch? :p
https://www.ebay.de/itm/3D-Maus-3Dconnexion-SpaceNavigator-SpaceMouse-3DX-600028-SolidWorks-A-B-C-Ware/264685898404?epid=9016044720&hash=item3da0824aa4:g:LlkAAOSwMS5ehFa8
That do I get when I search Spacemouse, looks like the thing for 150€.
a lot are selling them used , but the biddings are going a few days I am sure they will all raise to 70-80€+ :/
The second link are the real deal. This one doesn't look bad in particular:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/3D-Maus-3Dconnexion-SpaceNavigator-SpaceMouse-3DX-600028-SolidWorks-A-B-C-Ware/264685898404?epid=9016044720&hash=item3da0824aa4:g:LlkAAOSwMS5ehFa8
Hab Dir auch mal den Link von Kleinanzeigen geschickt...
It was included back in the day, when it looked like it might take off and because it didn't break anything there was never a need to remove it and it keeps those people happy who still have one. Which doesn't mean that it would be worthwhile trying to chase one down now.
but... why was the mouse not famous? maybe... 10years ago was 3d not cool enough for the personal use? :P Daz3d is really old :O and when I see how Fugly the old products are, I am happy I was not here in the old days and never had to use G3 ;)
I don't know why you would want a 3D Joystick to use with Daz Studio, but you could probably find a used Space Mouse on Ebay for under 50 bucks.
Because I would like the idea of having a controller to rotate the camer, atm I use ALT+ Click, but sometimes it makes problems, like with Geo Editor or with meshgrabber, also it would be nice to rotate round with such a controller, but its not worth for me to spent 100€ for just rotating around.
It wasn't famous because it was one of many clumsy failed experiments at a 3D mouse by a company that didn't have enough market presence to accomplish anything.