Fermion Complaint
crikett
Posts: 77
I suppose this is a variation on the old real vs. virtual complaint, wherein the virutal version ignores very important aspects of the real thing (like opening toliet lids and such). So while I am very happy to see a race car appear, it is discouraging to again see a failure of form following function on a device who is purposefully designed for function.
I will add that though I am not an expert in aerodynanics or fluid dynamics, my experience with both from the perspective of preparing and driving race cars is far from zero. With that said:
Major complaint: The rear wing makes no sense. Yes, it looks cool, but the extreme angle upward fromn the center line would result in less downforce, and would push the air outwards to the side. This would mean the wing is less effectivce for the total surface, and would make it eaiser for a car behind to get closer and gain a larger slipstream advantage for passing. While the later might be desirable from the point of view of a sanctioning body or a viewer, it would certainly not be desirable from the point of view of anyone building the car (and no sanctioing body has even yet suggested something like this, because the ineffectiveness of the surface would mean a lack of data that could lead to such a consideration). While you do now see a less extreme angle on front wings, this is simply a trade-off of a little less efficency for channeling air around the front end of the car and channeling more towards the radiators and barge boards.
Some minor complaints too as far as shaping of the air intake, and the lack of driver protection around the cockpit (even if not going with the kind of surround that came in last year to F1, there should still be something that would fit in around the back of the cockpit after the driver is in the car).
That said, there is so much right with this one it is still in my cart... just wishing, as comes up with all of these "real vs. virtual" things, that a little more attention was paid to specific points.
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@crikett
I'm with you. You're actually being pretty kind. If one to going to do any modeling for sale, one should at least do some research. F1 has a long rich history with many diverse shapes, but this doesn't tickle any of them. The rear of the car doesn't make any sense at all. The tires are treaded (not buying that they are a rain tire) and the brakes are drum brakes (no they are not inboard).
Users are a diverse and knowledgeable crowd and the bar keeps raising.
Yes, I thought the 3 rear wiggly wings were too much embellishment too. I bought the bundle anyway as a nice variation of Formula One style race cars I already have.
Fermions are not so bad...
My favorite fermions are any of the six types of quarks... but I like the strange quark the most... up, down, charm, bottom and top are okay, but you can't beat strange quarks in a Sigma baryon...
The six types of Leptons...yeah, they are so yesterday... electrons, electron neutrinos... been there, done that... muon and muon neutrino?... who named those...a cow?... and tauon or tauon neutrino... pffft... sounds like people just ran out of names.
No sir, give me those crazy strange quark fermions... you can't have strange matter with them.
This wasn't about particle physics or elementary particles... was it?
More racing/motorsport is good.
Maybe if you could duplicate the front wing, and replace the rear wing with some form of the front wing...
The cockpit is really exposed, but that's okay for dramatic/unrealistic images since I'd want to see more of the driver. In reality? Probably a bloody red smear on the pavement if the car flipped over due to weird aerodynamics.
Yes, I'm afraid this is another case of little to no research, not even a cursory attempt. All open wheel race cars have some kind of windscreen. In the past, it was mostly to deflect smaller debris up over the head of the driver. That's what's in my race car. In current F1 and Indycar, the two biggest open wheel professional series, there is a complete halo around the driver. There's also no sign of a structural roll bar. That rear wing would be completely ineffective. I think the front wing is too big. It would be almost impossible to race that thing in close quarters without breaking the front wing off. I'd give them a pass on the tires, but the brakes should look like carbon or ceramic disks. It doesn't say in the description, but there should be numerous material zones so you could plaster it with logos! It mentions LIE, but doing that for multiple logos would be a pain.
The helmet collection in the bundle looks nice. It also has some open face helmets that haven't been allowed in open wheel racing for years, but they're good for other vehicles. We do see some of those in vintage racing. Next add-on should be a HANS device for neck protection...
>The tires are treaded (not buying that they are a rain tire) and the brakes are drum brakes (no they are not inboard).
They struck mee as F1 tires circa 2006. And they obviously got the brakes wrong, although aside from the missing caliper and disc, they did at least get the ducting correct (and the overall brake system does at least have a similar appearance at first glance).
>Fermions are not so bad...
Given the light weight nature of fermions, I thought the naming was at least clever!
A better starting point would have been the 2021 design pictures that have already come out. But I guess if we are making "racing" wish lists, I would probably put a Porsche 917k, Chaparral 2A, and a Lotus 72 would probably top that list.
>The tires are treaded (not buying that they are a rain tire) and the brakes are drum brakes (no they are not inboard).
They struck mee as F1 tires circa 2006. And they obviously got the brakes wrong, although aside from the missing caliper and disc, they did at least get the ducting correct (and the overall brake system does at least have a similar appearance at first glance).
>Fermions are not so bad...
Given the light weight nature of fermions, I thought the naming was at least clever!
A better starting point would have been the 2021 design pictures that have already come out. But I guess if we are making "racing" wish lists, I would probably put a Porsche 917k, Chaparral 2A, and a Lotus 72 would probably top that list.
Maybe the brakes are electromagnetic...
Finally a photography of furmeows.
...I'm the same way when it comes to Musical instruments, particularly keyboard ones. Until recently here at Daz there really wasn't an accurate concert length grand piano (proper dimensions and shape) until Protozoon introduced one, and a few months ago, an accurate baroque styled pipe organ was released by Merlin Studios (Ness also gave us a beautiful harpsichord many years ago). There also have been a few decent vertical pianos included with some room sets
Having performed on, as well as studied the history, tuning, and construction of these instruments sort of made me just a bit "picky". Even on the pro sites I often found poor quality grand piano models with such inaccuracies as incorrect proportions, keyboard layout, string configurations, and other details. Organs were even worse, often not having the traditional pedalboard or the pedalboard was terribly inaccurate, odd arrangements of the pipes sometimes far more stop controls than the pipework on the model would suggest, and one even had a curved keyboards.
As a fair part of my illustration work is for a story arc where music is a central focus, accuracy is important (just like to someone who writes and illustrates stories set in or builds models from, a particular historical period like say WW II).
I tried finding an image of a Furminion but this is the best I could come up with.
Fermions or Bosons?
Furninion or Bosoms
You are ignoring the main problem with fermions in racing. Fermions obey the Pauli exclusion principle which means that two fermions cannot occupy the same quantum state. Bosons do no obey this principle so boson racing cars can pass through each other without crashing. Fermion racing cars would crash if they tried this.
That's why they don't use bosons in racing sims.
But what if the cars are bosons with drivers who are fermions? Wham, fermion guts everywhere.
Sounds like the title for a book: "Ride a Wild Boson"
But of course, there's no fermion rider of bosons who could keep up with the massless bosons like Photons & Gluons.
Upon consideration, a race between massless bosons would be rather pointless.
They all go the same speed and never stop as long as they exist. So, yup, fermions are better for races.
Yes, racing bosons could be pretty boring for the spectators. And with closely matched cars and drivers the finish could be a Bose-Einstein condensate in which it is impossible to distinguish between the cars. This would cause massive problems for the race organisers. How do they work out the points? And if everyone came first they'd need enough big bottles of champagne for everyone to shake one and spray people with it (do they actually do that? I have seen it but it might have been in a film, I don't watch motor racing on TV).
I want to watch the Furminions whip the Bosoms
Could be fun but I'm not sure that Bosoms are allowed in the forum rules
...I've always wondered about racing bisons with wings on them. Just not sure where the Funions™ would come in.
...hmmm...
...nah, I'll leave that to McGuyver to explain, he's more well learned on such matters.
Flying bisons!
Yip yip!
...I've actually seen a few episodes of Avatar.
With the series on Netflix, and global pandemic armageddon, there's plenty of time to binge watch it these days.
It's definitely one of the better animated series from Nick, and there have been a number of excellent animated shows from Nick.
...
Racing outfits for flying bisons in the Avatar universe. There's something for the PAs to work on!
Gotta say, as much as the Fermion car is imperfect (also "pit lane"), I'm really liking these paint jobs. They are fun.
You beat me to it... I was going to say it was a massive issue for me, too.
Speaking of shaking bottles of champagne... (well, somebody did, somewhere back there) ... I watch the shaking and spraying of champagne with one of two mindsets. Either A) the champagne is really cheap and the display is just bourgeois theatrics, or B) the champagne is expensive and it's a show of nouveau-riche egotistical extravagance. For me, the explosive spillage of good champagne is a sin and makes the brew not worth drinking.
It's the bubbles you're after, lots of them. Letting them follow the cork out in two seconds is a waste (besides making a mess for somebody to clean up). Without the bubbles, champagne is like drinking flat beer, only acceptible in your underwear, half conscious, after an all-nighter.
I was taught to hold and tease out the cork slowly letting the carbon dioxide escape slowly with no foam, and no more noise than a baby's fart. And then carefully pour down the tilted side of the very clean, long glass champagne flute, without the bottle neck touching the rim of the expensive crystal (potentially chipping it), thus keeping as many bubbles as possible in the drink that finally makes it to your mouth to explode with flavor like freshly opened ice-cold Coca-Cola.
If you appreciate champagne you've paid good money for those bubbles and that first rush of flavor, don't squander the opportunity.
If you really need a popping noise to impress people, do it with your mouth, then spit on the table cloth.