Egyptian Symbols - are meanings included?
manekiNeko
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just saw the new Egyptian Symbols - Ancient Hieroglyphs , and man, am i happy, since i never found interesting/complete/matching brushes or fonts i could have created a 3d object with, or even used otherwise! awesome! it's in my high priority list.
tho, as i noticed in the promos - correct me if i'm wrong - the symbols are named with numbers, i.e. ES Symbol 00X. i haven't seen any pdf or anything with a list of the corresponding names/meanings. and since the blurb in the promos sounds as if the PA knows what they're talking about, they must have the corresponding meanings too. the question is, where? is it included and i missed it, or could they upload a complete list?
i am NOT searching for hours on the web to find a meaning every time i use a symbol, and i'd feel embarrassed and extremely frustrated if in one of my renders i used like, this bird or sth, thinking "wow it's cute and imho it must mean love" and someone comments on how it means death...
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you need a rosetta stone
bit like those asian tattoos people get thinking they say mean one thing but mean say something else usually something very embarrassing
As the tool warns: it's not scientifically correct, but it's about as close as we can get to writing "correct" hieroglyphs without needing years of study. Think of the result as someone who's heard the German language, maybe even has a crude idea of what is said, but never really learned it, but still trying to say something that sounds like it's German anyway. An actual German just might have a vague clue of what is being said.
It's PG-friendly though, so certain common words are not available for translation.
https://artsexperiments.withgoogle.com/fabricius/en/play/translator
EDIT: And looking through the collection, I think the required symbols are not available in this product anyway. The symbols involved don't leave much to the imagination, so it makes sense. Maybe someone will make an expansion set on a certain other site sometime?
had it, dunno where tho, and not even sure "egyptian" as in hieroglyphs is in there.. plus not wanting to spend eons seaching for meanings.. i mean the PA is citing all those symbolic expressions, but i don't see them reflected directly on the objects' names. a list of which symbol is associated with should be either included or uploaded about now ^^
lmao, exactly! i find it so hilarious when this happens
hmm i didn't really think of writing a real "text" with them, at the most a cartouche on a wall or sth that's not being totally besides the point. ofc a crocodile, bird or flower is kinda self-telling, but still, why not include either the meaning in the duf's name or add a list - now is still a good moment for this, if not included - since the meanings were obviously known. since someone mentioned chinese signs above, i would ask the same for a set of kanji/chinese - why create the sign for "power", "fire", knowing what they mean - and then not include it either in the duf's name or a list, srsly? (EDIT: and the same PA actually DID include the kanji's meaning, at least in the promos...)
no complaint at the PA who created this awesome set, just asking for more clarity i.e. sharing the info they already have all ready....
the site you linked to is fun, and i'm sure i'll play there a bit - independently from this set tho ^^
Have noticed a growing number of YouTube videos concerning the meanings of the Egyptian symbols.
This is one example:
Still takes time though to watch and learn ... .pdf would be nice.
watch and learn.. well, i don't expect to have to learn how to style hair or sew pants on youtube when i purchase 3d hair/outfits here, lol.. so yeah, not expecting to have to do it either when i buy a set of calligraphic symbols ;)
I found the link didn't have 'crow' in its dictionary to translate, so I started to use Google to see if the Crow was in Egyptian mythology or religion and found this link: http://www.egyptianmyths.net/section-deities.htm which lists the gods of Egypt and is quiet interesting. Simplified of course, but, a great starting point if one doesn't have a great background in Ancient Egyptian history or religions.
If you google a little, you'll see that people manage to embarrass themselves in their own language just fine.
you do know what the Rosetta stone is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone
hint the app was named after it
This was from one of the early efforts of translation. (using the Rosetta stone and the Philae obelisk. It showed the the symbols could be used as an alphabet and not like Chinese symbols.
source: Egyptian Language by Sir E.A. Wallis Budge
Hair isn't a symbol, though. Symbols, by definition, stand for something else, and can be interpreted differently, so it's best not to settle for someone else's interpretation. They're just someone on the internet. Sometimes an eggplant is just an eggplant. Sometimes it's something else entirely!
Yeah, individual Egyptian icons may have a meaning or story behind them and represent the creature or concept of the purpose of a particular god. But Hieroglyphs are primarily a phonetic language with the icons representing short sounds. A string of sounds (whether horizontal or vertical) when surrounded by an oblong circle represent a person's name. It's like substituting Arial font or Times New Roman font with Dingbat or Wingding fonts. Which is, upon consideration, a clever way to create a hidden message in your wall of faux-hieroglyphs in your image. Just assign an Egyptian symbol to each letter in your alphabet or if you're more ambitions, to various phonems in your language. You can cuss out your mother-in-law secretly when you hand her a nice image you created.
A good example would be the symbol that looks a bit like a teacup (first promo image, second row, third symbol)
Sometimes it is referred to as Cup, other times as Basket. It can mean "container" in general (so it could also refer to an urn). Depending on context, it can also translate to the male form of "you" (which makes sense, as in Egyption religion, the body was a mere vessel of the spirit). It's also part of what the Egyptians had for an alphabet, and supposedly meant the letter "k" in their writing. Place a squigly line above the symbol (actually, that squigly line would be the symbol for water), and the combination can, depending on context, suddenly mean "mind" or "spirit". So, Aedilium could've named it "Cup" or "Basket", but it would've made as much sense as naming it "egyptian_06".
I guess we could try to edit the description field and add notations for ourselves though.
Reminds me of the time I did a Klingon pinup and had to google Klingon sayings and then the Klingon alphabet and finally Klingon fonts to create a tattoo in Klingon. But I bet there are way more people who read and understand Klingon than Ancient Egyptian. Someone would really have to be a scholar of ancient languages to make you feel embarrassed about using the wrong symbols. It’s not like using Asian symbols that billions of people understand.
Heh... That reminds me of a (supposedly) true story at the local shipyard some 35 years ago, when they were making ships for russian market with russian translated manuals of course... Someone had done the translation by simply changing the font to cyrillic and nobody caught it before the client tried to read them
I find all this fascinating. I love learning about ancient cultures. So much to learn! https://www.google.com/search?q=ancient+egyptian+hieroglyphs+translation&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
lmao.. this is hilarious... well mostly pretty crappy tats as well to boot, shows the IQ of the wearer...
haha yeah i learned that at school.. but i actually meant the app, the stone is a bit unpractical to carry up to my floor XDDD
ok, i see your point. but still, since there were meanings on the kanji set, i would have loved it here too instead of ES00xyz. and i don't really need accuracy so my cartouche can be absolutely BS, who cares, as long as it looks good. i just don't understand why the info that is already there can't be passed on. then, i can still decide to interprete an eggplant as a banana...
wow.. the dude who "translated" by changing the font was a true genius lmao XDDD. why learn a language when you can just change a font XDDD. sounds like a do-it-yourself furniture manual but just a bit worse XD
I find the "walk like an Egyptian" thing a little more embarassing to cultural standards than mistranslated hieroglyphs, tbh.
NO REGERTS.
Of course you could just your mummy.
Okay, I'm going now.
it looks very similar to a font from dafont which is free
and can used in Carrara to create the model.
okay... so, fancy it is! in the end i guess y'all are kinda right... osiris and his clan aren't going to smite me if i make a typo... or write total nonsense - nor will any egyptologist
and the recent products covered of hieroglyphs that appeared recently - bookmarked - no idea if they're even remotely "accurate" in the least, so well.. who cares ^^