Why recommended requirement too low vs practical requirement
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How to convince 32gb RAM is requre, he is trying to convince me it is overkill.
Most probably due to these practices:
DAZ 3D
64 Bit
WHQL-64 certified
Intel Xeon/Core 2 Duo or Quad /Core i7 or AMD Opteron/Phenom processor(s)
Windows 10, 8, 7 & Vista (Windows 10, 8, or 7 is recommended)
2 GB RAM min (3GB+ RAM recommended)
1GB free hard drive space for installation
Hardware accelerated OpenGL 1.6 compatible graphics card with at least 512 MB RAM (OpenGL 2.2, or higher, compatible recommended)
DirectX 9 (used for audio processing only)
Notes: NVIDIA Iray Render Engine: 64-bit only. NVIDIA video card with 4GB+ VRAM recommended. CUDA Compute Capability 2.0 or greater required.
Unreal Engine
Recommended Hardware
Operating System
Windows 10 64-bit
Processor
Quad-core Intel or AMD, 2.5 GHz or faster
Memory
8 GB RAM
Video Card/DirectX Version
DirectX 11 or DirectX 12 compatible graphics card
Minimum Software Requirements
Blender
64-bit dual core 2Ghz CPU with SSE2 support.
4 GB RAM.
1280×768 display.
Mouse, trackpad or pen+tablet.
Graphics card with 1 GB RAM, OpenGL 3.3.
and many other
Is there any official real recommended hardware specs I can use it as a reference?
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Forgot to mention it is a local PC shop. Who is a local delar of few top brands.
Ask him, who is the one paying?
16Gb is fine. I run 16.
If I disable page file to save my ssd?
I don't know if even 64GB is quite enough for that.
stick your pagefile on another drive
I have a Win 7 system with 16Gb RAM, a 6Gb GTX1060 and a 1Tb HDD and use DS4.12. This system is usually capable of rendering 3 characters and HDRI background or 2 characters & a more complex background in GPU. The limit for me is the VRAM in the GPU.
When I have run into RAM problems, and then it has been with dForce strand hair, where it took 5 mins to fill RAM and then crash DS doing a simulation. dForce Fabric based Hair seems to take up less RAM when simulating. Basically, for me the 6Gb VRAM is more of a limitation than 16Gb RAM. If you have 8Gb or more VRAM in your graphics card, then that may tip the balance to getting more RAM too.
UltraScenery backgrounds fit in my GPU and RAM with a bit to spare, despite having 160,000 plus instances of grasses, 150,000 instances of stones etc.
So, it really gets to the point of how much your dad wants to spend & how much you're going to allow the salesman to fleece him. It may be best to buy the RAM separately online from a reputable source if your dad is convinced 32Gb+ is necessary. It could well cost your dad less than buying through the shop.
The other thing it may well be worth talking over with your dad is that you know more about the specific requirements of DS than the salesman does, and if you think you can skimp in some areas then it's based on knowledge not guesswork (whereas the salesman will be operating on guesswork and having a 'general' machine spec in mind). DS does have particular requirements that skew the machine in favour of brutally powerful graphics but comparatively puny RAM in a way that more general applications do not.
Regards,
Richard.
16 gb ram might be bottleneck if materials are very highres.
Like me struggling with one clothed character here:
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/358431/rebel-yell-and-expansion-commercial#latest
If you're buying a new system now, you want to be sure that it will meet your needs or be easily upgradeable to meet your needs in 3 or 4 years rather than the minimum for what you need today.
I found upgrading from 16 Gb to 32 Gb made DS feel a bit more comfortable. It also gives you room to do other things while rendering. Like Richard said, if you want to use the new dForce hair, the more memory you have the better. If you get 16 Gb, make sure you have 2 free slots in case you want to expand later.
For doing modern DAZ rendering, worry not so much about RAM. Put your money into a good Nvidia graphics card. At least a 1660 but now even the 20xx series or the new 30xx series because prices are down. But remember to consider heat issues with bigger graphics cards. Need more power, more fans.
If you have to buy less RAM now, then just make sure that the computer you get has 4 memory slots and can support more up to 32GB total, that you might be able to buy in the future. Populate only two of the slots with 8GB modules, Then later add two more 8GB memory modules for a total of 32GB. That avoids having to remove (and waste) your old memory if you want to have more.
Minimum budget is $1000 and I don't know what is maximum budget or I haven't exact idea. I am again about to go to try another shop. I will update.
Yea, the minimum specs are for running the software. It doesn't say what you can or cannot practically do with the software! 16Gb was not enough for me. 32Gb is fine. And an example, compiling shaders in Unreal Engine, or baking lighting, was pretty horrific with 16Gb and a 4790K (4 core, 8 thread). 32Gb and a 3900X (12 core, 24 thread) and it's very fast.
With respect to the page file, don't mess with any of that stuff. It's been quite a few years since you, the user, knew better than the Operating System how to manage things like that.
By now, if you want to use mostly G8, with even a half complex environment, then 8GB would be the minimum I'd advise. Yes, Daz Studio and Blender will run with only 2GB, but that's without any of the more recent models and 2k-4k textures loaded. 8GB should keep be responsive enough for simple scenes and models, without too much swap file use. But, more memory will be better, and you will want to upgrade to 32GB eventually.
On laptop with 4 gb ram i never went further than Genesis 2 content (and it was not as smooth as Genesis 1 and pre-genesis). Just to reflect.
Not necessary. Don't let your boot drive fill up. Only install the absolutely necessary stuff on it if it is small (below 1 Tb).
A lot depends on your budget. Keep in mind that buying a prebuilt the step from a system with 16 to 32Gbn of RAM will be huge. Far easier to just get a system you like otherwise and just add RAM.
I have disabled page file with 32 GB RAM without problems or performance issues.
well he wouldn't want you blowing it on booze and hookers
Lol Then I will start search whole Amazon to save as much as possible and spend remainings here and there.
No idea if this'll help you, but here is a screenshot of my memory usage with daz studio open
1 character (Hagar)
1 dForce hair (preview pr hairs on and line tesselation 3, dforce soft curls hair)
1 outfit
some jewelry
and when I asked it to render or switched the preview to Iray it spiked to 22 gigs while preparing the scene
Page file could cripple your PC but as I've said it isn't that big a deal even with 16Gb RAM. Going to a shop isn't the best way to buy a PC. Mail order is by far the best way for getting a pre built. So once he gets home talk to him by email or whatever and agree on a system and let him have it shipped to you.
It's for desktop pc, right? Then do consider taking the harddisk out of your current computer, and adding it to your new one once you have it. Ideally, you'll try to keep your SSD as empty as possible, and only use it for your most important and most used program files. You can assign part of your old harddisk to be used for the page file, for example. Also frequently used folders like documents can be assigned to use your old hard disk instead. If you play games, most games do have an option somewhere to put save files on other drives too. Same with browser cache. Everything to minimize the amount of write, delete and move operations on your SSD.
You could even set up your Daz items to be installed on your hard disk instead of the SSD. (but still have the program itself on SSD). Harddisk space is cheap and usually durable, SSD space can be much faster, but is very expensive.
Now I am thinking recommended hardware from Daz is Best because at least a '+' symbol included.
I don't have a hard and fast technical argument for more, but I had 8GB to begin with and eventually upgraded to 24. It didn't cost that much but it would've been easier to have it from the start rather than ordering and installing it after the fact.
Yes it is a desktop pc. After struggling for years I really want to get rid of page file entirely.
Yes, I am also thinking I can upgrade later but then existing RAM stick or sticks will probably become useless.
If the board has 4 slots, then get 2 8-Gb sticks, rather than 4 x 4, so that you have open slots to add memory later.