OT: newb question re cpu and heatsink recommendation
jakiblue
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Ok guys, I am truly lost here. I need some help regarding fans and heatsinks cos I have NO clue about them at all.
I'm looking at this cpu:
https://www.umart.com.au/Intel-Core-i7-10700KF-8-Core-LGA-1200-3-80GHz-CPU-Processor_55255G.html
it's on special and a good price (because my awesome brother is buying this for me cos hellooo...broke! ha ha) but I noticed the line: "Please note: The boxed product does not include a fan or heat sink"
I don't have a clue what I should be looking for in fans and heatsinks for this. I've never done this before and I don't really have anyone around who can help out. I need to send links to my bro so he can add it to his order and I was hoping all you gurus here could help out?
I think this is the category I need to look at:
https://www.umart.com.au/CPU-Cooling_670C.html
Can anyone check that out and tell me what fan and heatsink will be compatible with the cpu? Does it need to be compatible with the motherboard also (yes, my awesome brother has already bought a new motherboard for me and it's on its way to me now)
HELP!
(also, I am in australia, so american sites are no good for me - we'd prefer to stick with that site)
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That's the right category. This is sort of the standard basic cooler I recommend:
https://www.umart.com.au/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212X-CPU-Cooler_24202G.html
You need something at least that robust for the CPU you're considering. If your room gets very hot, no idea what part of Oz you live in, then you might want more than that. If so consider something more like this:
https://www.umart.com.au/Themaltake-TH240-ARGB-Sync-240mm-Liquid-CPU-Cooler_55064G.html
The site doesn't have the greatest selection TBH.
Cooler master worked well on my i5 setup, it's a good cooler. Ended up going with a huge noctua for my ryzen build though. Back then we didn't have the option to not have CPU fallback in iray, and iray heated it up a lot faster and hoter than even cinebench did lol. Made me nervous, especially since I let renders run when I slept or went to work sometimes.
The Cooller Master that kenshaw011267 mentioned should work well, providing your computer case has sufficient air flow.
I use the Corsair for my Core i7 8086K
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077G3C6HH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
a bit pricey, but very reliable and it doesn't have a huge heatsink to take up interior space.
Both those are compatible with the cpu I linked?
And yep, it can get quite hot here in summer, but I'll be moving the computer into an air conditioned donga during the summer months, until we get air con here in the house :)
That's one of the stores I've purchased from in the past. Another one is https://www.computeralliance.com.au/ ; or https://www.mwave.com.au/
So confusing LOL. The last time I purchased a cpu it had all this so I couldn't work out why the ones I'm looking at now don't have them.
That's on the list too LOL. New case is on the cards for about November, along with more ram. Figured may as well upgrade/rebuild the whole system as I've got a new vid card and motherboard.
Yes. Every cooler will be compatible with that chip.
Intel doesn't include coolers with any "K" CPU's. The Intel stock coolers are terrible and should be replaced pretty much always anyway.
and by the way they don't really need to be compatible with motherboards and cases BUT you absolutely need to check if you have enough space on them; good air cooler can be pretty large, causing issues with high profile RAM and they can also be pretty high
thanks everyone!
ok this rebuilding thing is confusing and doing my head in LOL. So much to learn! Ready to get new cpu on Monday, but now, I can't figure this....what is the difference between these 3:
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/intel-core-i7-10700kf-octa-core-lga-1200-380ghz-unlocked-cpu-processor-ac34459
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/intel-core-i7-10700ka-8core-lga-1200-380ghz-unlocked-cpu-processor-ac37453
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/intel-core-i7-10700k-octa-core-lga-1200-380ghz-unlocked-cpu-processor-ac34458
they're all different prices, but from what i can see, they are kinda all the same. Except I think the first one doesn't have "integrated graphics" which if I have my own video card, doesn't make a difference right? That saves me a bit of money?
from what I've found, kf and k are identical except for the lack of graphics on the kf, ka is identical to k except for a difference in branding (it's a marvel avengers branded package).
is there much difference between the 2.9ghz and the 3.8ghz?
the kf (without graphics) is $559 and the ka (marvel, with graphics) is $599 - difference of $40 which i can put towards some other part. So the kf is fine for me as the no-graphics doesn't make a difference, correct?
No graphics should be fine yea.
As for the non k 2.9ghz base clock vs the k 3.8ghz base clock, you'll probably be running them at their turbo frequency anyway so its a difference between 4.8 ghz and 5.1 ghz
whether you'll actively notice a difference or not I don't know, I'm inclined to say you won't.
Kenshaw could probably give you better advice there though.
thank you skinklizzard! here's hoping @kenshaw011267 will pop in - i don't want to make a mistake with the purchase. :)
f is no integrated GPU. There are some downsides but mostly if you have an actual graphics card it won't matter. save the $50.
They should all have a base clock of 3.8Ghz and a boost of 5.1. No idea where the 2.9 is coming from. Base is what the chips will run at most of the time. Boost is what they will run at for short periods at the start of loads, Intel defines for how long but the motherboard makers routinely over ride that.
This is the important thing about this, and it may seem dumb but it happens, there are video outputs built into the motherboard and video outputs on the graphics card. The ones on the motherboard won't work at all if you have a k CPU. Be sure to plug your monitor into the ones on your card. Sometimes the card or the motherboard include covers for the HDMI and displayport ports. Put them on the motherboard ports to remind yourself which ones not to use.
And feel from to PM if you have a question in the future. I don't mind answering questions.
Kenshaw, the 2.9 is from the normal and not unlocked version, for some reason it has a lower base clock, I thought the unlocked where the same as the normal but just better for overclocking so wasn't originally aware they would have different base clocks.
this one here https://www.mwave.com.au/product/intel-core-i7-10700-octa-core-lga-1200-290ghz-cpu-processor-ac34460
My recomendations would depend on how much clearance room your case has for CPU height. I have an Intel I-7 10700k overclocked to 4.8 on MSI factory motherboard settings and I am using a Noctua NH-D15S and I have 0 problems.
As long as you have a discrete graphics card you will be fine. Without a CPU graphics core you wont have motherboard based Graphics.
Weather a CPU is run at turbo or not depends on a couple of factors. Running past base clock(turbo) is also called overclocking. Some motherboards, especialy ones designed for gaming, can control the overclocking for you. Some motherboards do not and require manual tuning of clock multipliers and system voltage being supplied to the CPU.
I know the current Extreem Gaming Z490 Motherboards from MSI and ASUS both have programs to control overclocking for you if your not comfortable manually adjusting your system clock multiplier and voltage. Other manufacturers may also have this capability. I personally am using the MSI Z490 MEG Unify and its been an excelent board so far.
That being said, my previous PC(N ow backup unit) has an I7-8700 and it ran DAZ studio with 0 problems with no overclocking. Rendering in Iray is all about the Graphics Card.
Wow. I looked up the specs and it is clocked 300 Mhz lower. They are normally the same just not unlocked. Intel just keeps getting shadier. 300Mhz is not much in the grand scheme of things however.
@kenshaw011267, I pm'ed you. :)
The CPU and colling are very important. I have a water cooler mated to my CPU. But shouldn't more money be spent on getting a good video card like an nVidia RTX? Just my humble thoughts.
I've got a rtx 2070 sitting in its box waiting for the rest to be built. :)
edit: oops I mean 2070, not 2060
You mentioned you live in Australia, I've been there twice. Beautiful country with great friendly people! Excellent choice of video card! Moving back to the CPU and cooler, While I will not make a specific brand recommendation, I will throw in my $0.02 about air flow and keeping the insides of the computer case cool. As I said, I have a water cooler mated to my CPU. When the CPU is working hard, my fan may spin up and it takes a very long time for the temprature to go up. This is just like watching water boil in a pot. It takes a long time to get the water hot and with the cooling fans cooling the water in the radiator, even longer. Having the radiator and fans mounted within the computer case so the warmed air is blowing out will keep the insides of the case cooler. I also have the power supply fan drawing air from within the case and blowing out the back. My nVidia video card has dedicated vents for it to draw in cool air from the outside and blows it's warm air out the back. The one additional bit of advise is to have your desk pulled away from the wall far enough that all that warm air blowing out has a place to go. I have helped more than one friend who was having cooling problmes by making the warm air exhaust away from the computer. You want only cool air being drawn in. Please see attached photo of a solution to get the hot air exhausted out of the room. Have a great day! Can't wait to hear and possibly see your new computer build. I am also looking forward to hearing how much faster your renders are with the new RTX card.
That looks like the vent for a portable air conditioner!
We have security screens on the windows so can't put a vent in like that unfortunately.
Yes my desk is against a wall on one side only - the left side. The back of the computer case faces an open shelving unit (which is behind my desk) so there is plenty of room for air to vent out. The case doesn't face any walls at all. Which wasn't by design actually, as that is something that never occurred to me! Kinda limited in the placement of my desk and computer as we live in a "liveable shed"
Basically it's one big room (with bathroom and toilet in their own rooms obviously), with kitchen, living, dining, bedroom all in one room, so I am limited in where I could place it. Fortunate perhaps, as yes, my computer case is not blocked in by any walls :)
As for heat.... we live in Cooktown in the Cape York area and it is STINKIN' HOT in summer. Last summer was a bad one as the winds dropped to nothing for about 6 weeks and I thought I was going to die. LOL. Fortunately we have an air-conditioned donga (my husband's "Man Cave") and we moved into that for 6 weeks - but alas, last year we weren't able to take my computer in there as the wireless connection wasn't good enough....but this year we put in ethernet connections to it so if summer is that bad again this year, I will be able to put my computer in there, with air conditioning (until we can get the main shed air conned). So daily heat generally won't be much of an issue.
My new cpu is winging its way to me as I speak heh, and I also got a fan. The next purchase in two weeks will be the case. I'm looking at ATX cases, and will be checking the dimensions to make sure my motherboard will fit, and for a future PSU as well. After the case, it's RAM and new hard drives, with the PSU after that. And probably will have to go up to Win 10 as I'm on win 7 - don't really want to, but figured it may be time. (Am I forgetting anything?) Oh, there are a couple of cases I'm looking at that come with fans, which is a good idea? I think? My brother keeps telling me to try and get as many fans as I am able to fit - would that be correct?
Once it's all built and I'm using it, I'll post a pic and specs here. I am SO excited :D LOL