What makes a product a "daz original"
set77
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I am not trying to call out anyone as I really like the persons work and own many of their products but when the same product is for sale on 2 websites how is it a Daz original?
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A DAZ Original is a product that was either commissioned or purchased by DAZ the company, and then sold as such on it own website.
DAZ Originals are created by a large range of different artists.
I think DO just means Daz bought it. It is no longer available on Rendo, even though the listing still shows up.
It's no longer available at Rendo -- instead of an add-to-cart button it says "Unavailable".
DAZ Original simply means that DAZ owns the product entirely. I.e. the producing artist has been bought out and does not receive any further revenue from the product sales.
In the case of Blaise, the product was at Rendo but is not available anymore (it's not for sale, listed as "unavailable").
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TD
Does that mean Mousso (the first one that came to my mind for this) does not get anything for purchases of some of her awesome figures, despite being listed alongside Daz?
For example this one: https://www.daz3d.com/jeanne-hd-for-genesis-8-female
Mousso got a one-time payment from DAZ ("buyout") in an amount that they agreed to. So it's nothing nefarious. But no further revebue sharing as far as I understand.
TD
I think whatever type of contract they signed it's under NDA so it is highly unlikely that anyone would risk disclosing anything risking legal issues.Meaning it is unknown if the contract includes a percentage on sales or anything else. Unity buys some assets from developers too on its store but it is unknown how much they pay the developers for those products. Same goes for Epic Games on its Unreal Engine Marketplace, it is unknown how much developers get paid. Although usually both Unity and Epic Games make what they buy from developers free for everyone, which clearly is a completely different type of contract compared to what DAZ does because the products DAZ buys then are being sold for a long time although they do too offer some older products for free once in a while during sales and the weekly freebies. Anyway no Company/Corporation would disclose contracts agreements which are under NDA.
So I doubt you will get a clear answer about anything.
Well, has been discussed and explained by various PAs over that past 16 years that I am here. There is no big secret (unless some PA has a special deal in which case we will never know and you are of course right there). DAZ Original simply means it's owned by DAZ and the artist got paid at the very least a one-time fee for the rights.
TD
What I meant is that these figures still list her as the author, and are offered in her store. It would sound strange if she didn't not get anything from the sales.
She created them, so it's not particularly surprising that they're listed as part of her catalog.
No matter how the money is split, it's helpful to see the name of the creator alongside "Daz Originals", although with some, it's not hard to tell who made a given item, e.g., Samsil's items.
Well, some items in the DAZ store only list DAZ. I thought all sales of Mousso's products benefited her, maybe split 50/50 with DAZ when co-authored. Oh well, one learns new things every day.
Heh, I just realized that I bought SASE Blaise when she was over at Renderosity. Something tells me I'm not going to get a purple banner offering me a reduction on the Headless Horseman bundle for that one, though.
If Mousso, for example, is a Featured Vendor, or Friend of the Sale, then you get the DO discount stacked on top of the PA's participation discount. So there's that.
I was just curious, I was a little sleepy this morning and I have a few people that are near insta buys for me but I was like I swear I have seen this character before. I could not see the unavailable as I own the product fron RR
They likely do "benefit" her as I'm sure Daz3D looks at how well those characters sell when deciding if/when to do more buyouts with a particular vendor.
The 50/50 is the normal split for products sold through Daz3D, as outlined in the Published Artist Information: http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/publishing/pa_info/start
From a customer's POV, when I see a new artist alongside DO, I might take a chance on the item. If I find it a product I like, enjoy, or find useful, I keep my eye out for future products from that PA under their own name. Although the Dain bundle made me a little leary of taking chances.
No, it is NOT offered in her store. It is listed in her store as a product previously sold there. Because some people might have actually bought it on Rendo. And DAZ buying it out does not remove previous purchasers' rights to re-download their purchases nor the author to be know as the author
For us as consumers, this ability to stack discounts can be a tremendous deal. For example, a few days ago there was a flash sale of Mousso products and I was able to get 14 characters at $4 each, which for me was too good a deal to pass up for the quality of the product. Now I have a virtual army of Mousso characters for my next project
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I do not understand you. I apologize, but English is not my mother tongue, and should this be a case of some nuance in meaning, I am afraid I do not get it.
If I open Mousso's store here on this website, the figure, listed as created by both DAZ and Mousso, clearly is offered for purchase there now, not previously.
I think Ascania might have been confused and probably thought you were talking about the Blaise character (previously sold at Renderosity), rather than what you were talking about which is Mousso's characters in her Daz3D store. :)
I see. Yes, that would explain the confusion. Thank you.
IDK what character you are talking about. Her characters brought to Daz are no longer available for purchase at Rendo and show "Unavailable". Mousso has two dozen G3 characters for sale at Renderosity, and none are available at Daz. Also, if the character was previously available for purchase at Rendo, then Daz had no hand in it's "creation", nor would I imagine did they have much to do with the "creation" of any of her other characters.
3Diva was right, then.I talked about this, you can see it if you scroll a bit up to 22nd October:
Does that mean Mousso (the first one that came to my mind for this) does not get anything for purchases of some of her awesome figures, despite being listed alongside Daz?
For example this one: https://www.daz3d.com/jeanne-hd-for-genesis-8-female
The confusion is, at least in part, because the thread subject got changed from the original question, so there are two threads going now.
The assumption, which has already been stated, is that DAZ owns anything labelled in the store as a "DAZ Original". Whether it was created by their own staff, commisioned, sold to them originally, or sold to them some time after it was originally available probably doesn't make a difference. They paid someone for the right to continue to sell it, and most likely the original artist does not get a portion of each sale (otherwise there would be no reason for it to be labelled a DAZ Original). When they include another artist name in the product page, it may just be to help people find other items by the same vendor. However, unless DAZ posts this information publically, or a vendor who has made such an arrangement on a product says how it works, we don't know for sure if there is a difference between whether the vendor is listed alongside "DAZ Original".