About outfits and shoes that don't go with them
ScarletX1969
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Can someone please explain to me the fascination with have stilettos with armor or boots with platform heels on bodysuits? I want to buy this Cryomancer outfit but the shoes are giving me pause here. I know about kitbashing but sometimes I want to use the whole outfit.
Are there even morphs to flatten these heels?
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Which outfit? None of the ones I can see in the Cryomancer or Cyber bundles has anything more dramatic than a wedge, no stillettos at all.
It's the wedge but I was voicing my opinion (and frustration about both stillettos and wedges).
This complaint has been brought up many of times. The dead horse has been beaten to a pulp.
Ofcourse, you have every right to complaint about it. Perhaps you can sway a few PAs
answer : the silent majority love those high heel shoes and have spoken with their wallets. It is very difficult to tell vendors to refuse the paying silent majority. The trend has nothing to do with what is correct or what is not.
partial solution : If you really like the package, just use it and leave out the ;inappropriate' shoes.
Render on!
Funny, I get annoyed at the flat boots and end up making characters’ legs longer to compensate lol.
Gotta say, the wedge in the BlindXLook outfit is pretty minor compared to some of the wildly high heels I've seen. And all the other outfits have flat (if thick) soles.
A somewhat cynical answer would be that the high heels in a lot of outfits are simple smooth curves that avoid the need to model any laces or rugged treads, but are still enough to technically make the set a complete outfit.
It's uncommon that I use any shoes that originally came bundled with an outfit, save a couple of "fitness" outfits; even if my cynicism is misplaced, it's not particularly extreme to say that stand-alone shoe products usually deliver a higher quality offering.
Still, I don't think anything in the Millawa bundles seems very extreme to me.
I agree, those boots aren't that extreme and they're kinda genre appropriate.
You could always try 'Meshgrabber' to flatten the soles
I guess you could use Dformers, Meshgrabber or send to Hexagon to deheel them and repose the feet
I chop them up in Carrara myself and there is Blender
Something I find can be helpful is when the PA gives the heel it's own material zone, which makes it easy to just turn the heel opacity to zero.
Like the First Date Outfit, https://www.daz3d.com/first-date-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s has the heel as a separate material zone. Hiding the heel by turning the opacity slider all the way down then gives the option to use the boots as flat-soled.
It's not a perfect solution but it can be helpful and it would be cool if more PAs included that option. :D I don't make clothing though, so for all I know, that could be a major pain in the bottom to do.
It would be nice if they made a morph to flatten the heels... but given how many PAs now sell outfits that don't include any shoes at all, I'd take a pair of high heels over nothing at all and then swap in other shoes when required. Actually, what I'd really like to see is for all of the pose creators to provide both flat and high heeled versions, as far too many are only HH...
Yeah, I can always count on someone to remind us that this conversation have been brought up in a sea of a thousand conversations...lol. I've even joined on a few of them.
That being said, I'm not trying to sway anyone. It was more of a forum outburst of jovial frustration. However, it would be nice that these shoes came with some sort of morph option to either flatten the heel or remove it entirely.
Just saying. :)
I mean... heels in armor is a common thing in the store, I don't disagree at all, but... what outfit is supposed to be talked about here? Both of the outfits in the Cryomancer budle have flat soles, unless I'm missing an outfit? (Which is entirely possible with how the store's been acting up)
I am going to try this. Thanks for the tip.
Yeah, you could manually do it yourself with the Geometry Editor tool, if the shoes you want to do it with don't have a separate material zone for the heel. :) You'd just have to make sure not to render the bottom side of the shoe, as this could result in a hole where the geometry was before.
Here's a quick and dirty tutorial on how to "hide" heels (this only works if you DON'T render the underside of the shoe, as this leaves a hole in the bottom mesh):
Select the Geometry Editor Tool (Tools >> Geometry Editor).
Select the geometry that you want to hide. You can hold down CTRL to ADD geometry to the selected and hold down ALT to SUBTRACT geometry from the selection. Once you have the geometry that you want to hide selected right click and select Geometry Assignment >> Create Surface from Selected.
Name it whatever you want like Boot Bottom Left or something. Once you name it you can go to the surfaces tab and turn that material zone down to zero.
It's not nearly a perfect solution since it leaves a massive hole in the mesh and you have to make sure not to render the underside of the shoe (and you also might need to hide the feet depending on how much mesh you remove). But as long as you are careful not to render the underside of the shoes it works fairly well.
Before:
After: