driver updated 4.14 takes 50% longer to render

alan bard newcomeralan bard newcomer Posts: 2,230
edited November 2020 in Daz Studio Discussion

updated drivers to solve the black renders in 4.14 (they were fast though). 
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however 
4.12 with new driver 2 min 05.79 secs to render
4.14 with new driver 2 min 59.87 secs to render 
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gee, I was expecting the new version to do better than the old one. 
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scene created in 414 then opened in 412 same camera same sky 
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first one is 412 second is 414 
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And as a side effect to restarting the system for the new video driver 
Dim has decided there is nothing new to download and it's even ignoring the 500 updates it wanted to download. 
Hopefully this is some kind of a server issue? 

grove 412 iray 20579.jpg
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grove 414 iray default 25987.jpg
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Post edited by alan bard newcomer on

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,971

    Note that if you keep a render you've already done open, the following ones will render faster, especially if the scene is reasonably small. 

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,947

    Alan,

    I just did a test on my machine after reading your post and I honestly got the opposite result.


    Win 10 1909 x64 - Zotac AMP Extreme 980TI (x2) - Nvidia Driver 457.30

    Test scene was the first image shown here - https://www.artstation.com/artwork/w8YEJ5- but rendered to 1000 samples only each time

    Daz Studio 4.12.2.7 - 7m 11s

    Daz Studio 4.14.0.8 - 6m 14s

  • now I will have to run a couple more tests ... to see what happens next time
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    first pic 4.12 second 4.14 
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    I have a 980ti and a titanX 
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    but these were the first two I did.,
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    6 vs 7 minutes either way is close 
    but the basically 2 to 3 minute dif could be a half hour more on what used to be a one hour render. 
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    so off to test. 
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    grove 412 iray 20579.jpg
    3218 x 1869 - 2M
    grove 414 iray default 25987.jpg
    3218 x 1869 - 2M
  • now I will have to run a couple more tests ... to see what happens next time
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    first pic 4.12 second 4.14 
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    I have a 980ti and a titanX 
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    but these were the first two I did.,
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    6 vs 7 minutes either way is close 
    but the basically 2 to 3 minute dif could be a half hour more on what used to be a one hour render. 
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    so off to test. 
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  • Taoz said:

    Note that if you keep a render you've already done open, the following ones will render faster, especially if the scene is reasonably small. 

    since one was in 4.14 and the other 4.12 ... one would expect the rendering to run differentr

    But I do use an old 412 that will open while 414 is open ...  can they use the same scene file at the same time? 
    I've never consiously tried that ...  with two 412s I've often rendered from one and worked in the other

     

  • alan bard newcomeralan bard newcomer Posts: 2,230
    edited November 2020
    Mattymanx said:

    Alan,

    I just did a test on my machine after reading your post and I honestly got the opposite result.


    Win 10 1909 x64 - Zotac AMP Extreme 980TI (x2) - Nvidia Driver 457.30

    Test scene was the first image shown here - https://www.artstation.com/artwork/w8YEJ5- but rendered to 1000 samples only each time

    Daz Studio 4.12.2.7 - 7m 11s

    Daz Studio 4.14.0.8 - 6m 14s

    did a rerun (three, actually ... used a larger more complex scene. 
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    open 414 load scene render scene 54m 29 sec close 414 wait ten minutes
    open 412 load scene render scene 38m 29 sec close 412 wait ten minutes
    open 414 load scene render scene 50m 42 sec 
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    gpu ram was up to 8g during renders dropped back to 2g when daz was released. 
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    but it's still at about a 25% increase in rendering times. 
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    For now even if I work in 414 I may render in 412...  and of course haven't checked the render time in the beta. 
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    Art Station is throwing a 404 on your render. 
     

    414 54m29sec.jpg
    2000 x 1000 - 678K
    412 38m29s.jpg
    2000 x 1000 - 634K
    414 50m 42 sec 2.jpg
    2000 x 1000 - 678K
    Post edited by alan bard newcomer on
  • dijituldijitul Posts: 146
    edited November 2020

    Perhaps your two versions have different render settings for the hardware.  You said you had to different cards.  I assume they are different speeds and VRAM.  Which ones are being used in each version of DAZ for rendering?  There's a hardware tab under the Render settings.  Use only your most powerful card as they don't combine VRAM (the data is duplicated to all cards, so if one runs out, they all run out).  If you run out of VRAM for a scene, it drops to CPU rendering which increases rendering time significantly (check your Task Manager for maxed CPU usage).  Hopefully this helps in some way.

    Post edited by dijitul on
  • same file opened in both programs same settings same size..  
    both cards are used .. 
    which is a question because it increases both cars while rendering and even on a render that ran the titan up to 11888g .. it still used 5g on the 980 
    so i guess as long as you don't go over the data limit of the lower card it uses both and uses the larger one more for processing
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    but scene was created in 412 aways back .. then opened and  saved in 414 so it's the same scene and same settings
    the original render  of the new building was created in 414 and same settings both cards marked for use 

     

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,947
    Art Station is throwing a 404 on your render.

    Sorry, my mistake - https://www.artstation.com/artwork/w8YEJ5

     

    For future tests, set the max samples limit to 1000.  That will be easier than letting a render run for an hour or more.

  • alan bard newcomeralan bard newcomer Posts: 2,230
    edited November 2020

    another set of tests
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    opened a file made in 412 in 414 rendered in 16m 20s 
    the saved it and open in 412 ... 
    interesting because this time it turned the sky dome on when it saved (was not active in the render).
    Giving me the second render which I thought was running in filament? Until I discovered the sky dome change
    and the third render with skydome turned off 
    and it was 16m 25s 
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    which is right on . in that 414 and 412 took the same time.... with just scene lighting (lava, a ball light with the lave shader burning bright and a small light behind the tank hatch cover. 
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    Added the captioned image .. sometimes makes my artwork make sense.
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    itereations converge out at about 800 ... 4k x 2k renders

     

    hell 3 41416m 20s.jpg
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    hell 3 412 11m 43s.jpg
    4000 x 2000 - 1M
    hell 3 412 16m 25s.jpg
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    hell 3 caption 16m 20s.jpg
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    Post edited by alan bard newcomer on
  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,971
    edited November 2020
    Taoz said:

    Note that if you keep a render you've already done open, the following ones will render faster, especially if the scene is reasonably small. 

    since one was in 4.14 and the other 4.12 ... one would expect the rendering to run differentr

    Probably, but my point is that you have to take this into consideration when you are testing.  If you do one test where a window with a previous render of the same scene is open and then another without any open render windows you may get misleading results.

    But I do use an old 412 that will open while 414 is open ...  can they use the same scene file at the same time? 
    I've never consiously tried that ...  with two 412s I've often rendered from one and worked in the other

    No idea, never tried that. 

    Post edited by Taoz on
  • alan bard newcomeralan bard newcomer Posts: 2,230
    edited November 2020

     

    Taoz said:

    Probably, but my point is that you have to take this into consideration when you are testing.  If you do one test where a window with a previous render of the same scene is open and then another without any open render windows you may get misleading results.

    all of these were run one at a time with one instance of scene running....... 
    open 414 load scene, render, close, wait , open 412, load scene, render, close, wait, open daz again. repeat as necessary. 
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    this backup folder of my daz scene and render files probably still has some duplicate files but then I need to (note to self) need to add all the 2020  stuff and make sure it's all backed up to multiple places. 
    I have done alot of render and scene work

    render back up.jpg
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    Post edited by alan bard newcomer on
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