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Spring Dynamics Manual?

MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 926
edited November 2020 in Daz Studio Discussion

Is there one available. Doesn't seem to be one in the installed files.

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  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 1,997
    edited November 2020
    MarcCCTx said:

    Is there one available. Doesn't seem to be one in the installed files.

    Was going to snag this program, but seeing as there's no manual or tutorial on how to use the program I'm gonna pass until there is one, as it's just plain lazy... It's pretty irritating when PAs sell a tool with no real direction on how to use it!

    Post edited by takezo_3001 on
  • PaintboxPaintbox Posts: 1,633

    Yup. Huge letdown. Hopefully it's just a dropped ball because of all the shop changes. But PAs and QA testers, please make a checklist of bare minimum requirements before you put it online.

  • Saxa -- SDSaxa -- SD Posts: 872

    Maybe little early to say, but the video that is included on the product page was pretty good to show potential & how it works.  Whereas the product screenshots left me baffled earlier.

    The video shows very quick the core concept and the pop-up for the applet which shows the settings.  With a bit of playing, while referring back to product video, am pretty optimistic it will work out pretty good.

    Step-by-step Manual would be a nice fall-back.  But if you are animnating already think this may actually be pretty intuitive.  Hopefully didn't jinx myself. cheeky

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 1,997
    Saxa -- SD said:

    Maybe little early to say, but the video that is included on the product page was pretty good to show potential & how it works.  Whereas the product screenshots left me baffled earlier.

    The video shows very quick the core concept and the pop-up for the applet which shows the settings.  With a bit of playing, while referring back to product video, am pretty optimistic it will work out pretty good.

    Step-by-step Manual would be a nice fall-back.  But if you are animnating already think this may actually be pretty intuitive.  Hopefully didn't jinx myself. cheeky

    Yes, while having a bare mininum of the features are nice, there will be specifics in the program/script itself that will be much more complex and fine-tuned, such that a manual/tutorial would be much more beneficial. 

  • Saxa -- SDSaxa -- SD Posts: 872
    edited November 2020

    Update:  The applet has a question mark.  Click it and you get a 2 page pdf.  Explains for example "Follow" in applet only works if child bones are present.  So for what I was doing, the bones I selected had no child bones.  (Unless i make some lol).  

    FYI:  this scene/animation took about 2 minutes to make, after watching promo video.  Strength of spring ratcheted up for effect.  First draft without any adjustments.

    Link goes to Imgur - G8F all in metal Gold materials (no skin mats) with spring script applied to pectoral bones. (reading Richards sticky on nudity this should work).

    https://imgur.com/a/kkusoyU

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  • MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 926

    I tried to emulate the video and wasn't having any luck. I just  used a primative cylander and the follow checkbox wouldn't click. I'll try building one in Blender and see if that makes a difference.

     

  • MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379

    I've started playing with and documenting my experiments with it.

    Part 1 here - https://mooncraftrp.com/index.php/2020/11/16/thoughts-review-spring-dynamics-for-daz-studio/

  • MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379
    edited November 2020

    Heads up, there is in fact a document with this product. I attached it to this post for you guys to quickly download.

    [attachment removed - please don't share product files without prioor permission]

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • Saxa -- SDSaxa -- SD Posts: 872
    MarcCCTx said:

     I just  used a primative cylander and the follow checkbox wouldn't click.

    Follow isn't required.  And follow only activates (automatically) when there are child nodes.  Like if you select hip, then children for that are pelvis and abdomen lower, and all that children after that.

    Just found out that Undo works for this script effect!  That's awesome!  Had opened and closed applet twice.  Second was adding another effect.  With undo, it just removed the 2nd effect.

  • RobinsonRobinson Posts: 751

    There's no collision unfortunately.  That's a pity.  Even simple collision, against capsules or bounding boxes would have been good.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,728
    MarcCCTx said:

    I tried to emulate the video and wasn't having any luck. I just  used a primative cylander and the follow checkbox wouldn't click. I'll try building one in Blender and see if that makes a difference.

     

    I think the object needs to have multiple bones. A primitive cylinder does not.The cylinder he showed in the demo video had multiple (10?) bones, so the cylinder could bend.

  • johranshadijohranshadi Posts: 142

    I was hoping it would also calculate the movement of an object parented to figure'a hand. The object always jumps outs of the hand. I was wondering if that is possible 

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,712

    I made a video with Spring Dynamics (it's not perfect and has some mistakes but it's just a test):

    Spring Dynamics were added to the pectorals and the hair fringe bones.

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 1,997
    3Diva said:

    I made a video with Spring Dynamics (it's not perfect and has some mistakes but it's just a test):

    Spring Dynamics were added to the pectorals and the hair fringe bones.

    Wow, great render, I'll definitely buy this soon, (Now that there's some documentation) but I'll have to wait until my next paycheck!

  • vadimtvadimt Posts: 33

    Thanks to MoonCraft3D review and instructions I decided to try it.  For some reason, I am getting an error reading the script. And the log doesn't help with any additional information.

    2020-11-17 18:06:07.178 Loading script: J:/DAZ Connect/data/cloud/1_77198/scripts/utilities/3d universe/spring dynamics.dse.enc
    2020-11-17 18:06:07.191 Failed to load script: J:/DAZ Connect/data/cloud/1_77198/scripts/utilities/3d universe/spring dynamics.dse.enc

    Any ideas what it could be?

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,728
    vadimt said:

    Thanks to MoonCraft3D review and instructions I decided to try it.  For some reason, I am getting an error reading the script. And the log doesn't help with any additional information.

    2020-11-17 18:06:07.178 Loading script: J:/DAZ Connect/data/cloud/1_77198/scripts/utilities/3d universe/spring dynamics.dse.enc
    2020-11-17 18:06:07.191 Failed to load script: J:/DAZ Connect/data/cloud/1_77198/scripts/utilities/3d universe/spring dynamics.dse.enc

    Any ideas what it could be?

    Lots of scripts don't work when installed with Daz Connect. Uninstall in Daz Connect first, then install with DIM.

  • vadimtvadimt Posts: 33

    Thanks, barbult! It was it. DIM install works!

  • spearcarrierspearcarrier Posts: 692

    So can someone reveal where exactly the stupid applet IS?

    No manual, okay fine fine fine. ... but... when one goes under scripts, and goes here, and goes there, and simply cannot find it, it gets a little irritating.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,728
    spearcarrier said:

    So can someone reveal where exactly the stupid applet IS?

    No manual, okay fine fine fine. ... but... when one goes under scripts, and goes here, and goes there, and simply cannot find it, it gets a little irritating.

    Try scripts/utilities/3d universe/spring dynamics

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    edited November 2020
    MoonCraft3D said:

    Heads up, there is in fact a document with this product. I attached it to this post for you guys to quickly download.

    [attachment removed - please don't share product files without prioor permission]

    In case anyone hasn't found the manual ... it's here:

     

    SD_PDF.jpg
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  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 1,385

    are there more examples of this script, no youtube DS gurus (Wp Guru, thundorm, davis, etc) are giving tests about it, that's some strange 

    and I'm considering buy it but dunno if worth the try and the invest.

  • KlaudMKlaudM Posts: 76

    I'm trying to simulate a simple sphere but nothing happens, the script is stuck on "1 of 1... applying original pose"
    what im doing wrong?

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 1,385
    edited January 2021

    it seems that does not work when you apply Animate blocks, when using Pupetter the script works with no problems.

    and not all is jiggle boobs, tentacles are great and possible muscle tissue simulation:

    Looks good at 2x Speed.

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  • KlaudMKlaudM Posts: 76
    edited January 2021

    Zilvergrafix said:

    it seems that does not work when you apply Animate block

    yes, it doesn't work with aniblock, you need to bake to studio keyframes 

    ps
    Answering to myself, I tried to simulate a sphere cuz I saw the video and they animate a belly that doesn't have bones so I tought... wrong.
    From what I'm seeing you can't simulate anything that doesn't have bones (as belly or bottom), for someone maybe it's obv, for me not...

    I'd like to know how they simulated the fat as the video shown but there's nothing that explain it.
     

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  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 1,385

    KlaudM said:

    yes, it doesn't work with aniblock, you need to bake to studio keyframes 

    ps
    Answering to myself, I tried to simulate a sphere cuz I saw the video and they animate a belly that doesn't have bones so I tought... wrong.
    From what I'm seeing you can't simulate anything that doesn't have bones (as belly or bottom), for someone maybe it's obv, for me not...

    I'd like to know how they simulated the fat as the video shown but there's nothing that explain it.
     

    Thanks, I did a baking and yes it works! laugh

    the fat on the video, well I did an animation with Belly morph at 100%, select abdomen as a node, no childs selected, apply script, done!, works!

    works better keyframing at 10 frames, not every 2.

     

  • KlaudMKlaudM Posts: 76

    Zilvergrafix said:

    select abdomen as a node, no childs selected, apply script, done!, works!

     it's exaclty what i tried to do but it just ruins the animation (weird movement) and doesn't simulate the fat :(

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 1,385

    KlaudM said:

    Zilvergrafix said:

    select abdomen as a node, no childs selected, apply script, done!, works!

     it's exaclty what i tried to do but it just ruins the animation (weird movement) and doesn't simulate the fat :(

    don't animate with default settings and force applied at 70% 

  • KlaudMKlaudM Posts: 76

    Zilvergrafix said:

    don't animate with default settings and force applied at 70% 

    so what i have to do?
    im trying different settings but idk, nothing seems work

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