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Is being charged for sale tax something new?

IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
edited December 2020 in The Commons

I happen to notice today that there is a sale tax added to my check out today . I have never notice that before. I understand if you are buying or making a online purchase  at a merchant that is located in your state that you can be charged a sales tax. 

Example: I live in Tennessee and Renderosity is located in Nashville TN  so I am force to pay a tn sales taxs.

But since when we get charged 7.9% sales tax when Daz is not in the same state i live in?  Is this some new tax law I missed?

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  • Phoenix1966Phoenix1966 Posts: 1,715

    I live in a different state from you (not Utah) and Daz3d started collecting sales tax several months ago. There is a lot of legislation out there that is coming down on online stores to make them collect sales tax now. This is from 2019:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2019-12-24/most-states-now-tax-online-purchases

  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,855

    Ivy said:

    I happen to notice today that there is a sale tax added to my check out today . I have never notice that before. I understand if you are buying or making a online purchase  at a merchant that is located in your state that you can be charged a sales tax. 

    Example: I live in Tennessee and Renderosity is located in Nashville TN  so I am force to pay a tn sales taxs.

    But since when we get charged 7.9% sales tax when Daz is not in the same state i live in?  Is this some new tax law I missed?

    No, it is not new. https://www.avalara.com/us/en/blog/2019/05/tennessee-to-tax-out-of-state-sales-starting-july-1-2019.html

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,618
    Collecting tax just cuts my buying power. I used to buy from Amazon, but they charge tax now, which cuts my ability to stretch my already small money. Online companies shouldn't do this.
  • GeoffreyHawkinsGeoffreyHawkins Posts: 255

    I'm in NC and DAZ has been collecting state sales tax on me for a while now.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165

    I guess thats going to put more of a limit on my 3d spending.

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    I live in CT and don't see sales tax on the order currently in my cart. With Amzaon, we are only charged tax from orders that ship directly from a warehouse located in CT. Otherwise, no tax. (Remember, technically, you are supposed to keep track of out-of-state purchases and then claim them later come tax season...just saying.)

    If Daz is collecting sales tax from you, I don't think I'd place the blame on them...it's on your state. (And like I said above, even if they weren't collecting, technically you're supposed to claim it later anyways...just saying...)

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,674
    edited December 2020

    Ivy said:

    I guess thats going to put more of a limit on my 3d spending.

    Well, since the law has been in effect for over a year then, no.  Not any more than you've been satisfied with spending for the last year.indecision 

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  • Kevin SandersonKevin Sanderson Posts: 1,643
    edited December 2020

    Nope, it's not new. Many states have had laws for paying tax on out of state purchases for several years at least. They just have been taking their time in getting out of state merchants to collect and pay. Pressure from local merchants has put extra pressure to get out of state merchants to collect and pay. Some states have a section in your yearly taxes to self report and pay sales tax on items purchased from out of state merchants who didn't collect sales tax on your purchase. Rendo has been charging it for some time, too.

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  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited December 2020

    LeatherGryphon said:

    Ivy said:

    I guess thats going to put more of a limit on my 3d spending.

    Well, since the law has been in effect for over a year then, no.  Not any more than you've been satisfied with spending for the last year.indecision 

    I wasn't charged tax 11/26 or any of my PC+ sale purchases last month ,so it is something new they just started for me and yes I was spending a lot here.  and 7.9% tax on a sale item lesson my buying power. The law may have been in effect for a year but they have just started charging tax on me this month

     

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  • Phoenix1966Phoenix1966 Posts: 1,715

    "Starting October 1, 2020, out-of-state businesses and marketplace facilitators must collect and remit Tennessee sales tax if their annual sales into the state exceed $100,000."

    https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/sales-tax-compliance/news/21149460/tennessee-lowers-sales-tax-economic-nexus-for-online-sellers

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165

    it appears there are 43 states with the same nexus.  As I said daz just started taxing me this month so they gave me a couple of months leeway. But it will put a crimp on the things i buy. 7.9% is $7.90 extra dollars on a $100.  it adds up fast. 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    tsarist said:

    Collecting tax just cuts my buying power. I used to buy from Amazon, but they charge tax now, which cuts my ability to stretch my already small money. Online companies shouldn't do this.

    Wasn't their choice, but the gubbermint's ;)

    Laurie

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,078

    Online companies didn't have a choice. 

    tsarist said:

    Collecting tax just cuts my buying power. I used to buy from Amazon, but they charge tax now, which cuts my ability to stretch my already small money. Online companies shouldn't do this.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310

    tsarist said:

    Collecting tax just cuts my buying power. I used to buy from Amazon, but they charge tax now, which cuts my ability to stretch my already small money. Online companies shouldn't do this.

    What's so special about online companies?  Mom and pop brick-and-mortar stores have been and are being put out of business because of the tax advantages huge online retailers have enjoyed.

  • meganappstatemeganappstate Posts: 85

    fastbike1 said:

    Online companies didn't have a choice. 

    tsarist said:

    Collecting tax just cuts my buying power. I used to buy from Amazon, but they charge tax now, which cuts my ability to stretch my already small money. Online companies shouldn't do this.

    Actually, they do ... they just have to limit total sales in each state to less than the state's threshold for collecting sales tax.

  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026

    meganappstate said:

    fastbike1 said:

    Online companies didn't have a choice. 

    tsarist said:

    Collecting tax just cuts my buying power. I used to buy from Amazon, but they charge tax now, which cuts my ability to stretch my already small money. Online companies shouldn't do this.

    Actually, they do ... they just have to limit total sales in each state to less than the state's threshold for collecting sales tax.

    Are you suggesting Daz should at some point tell all their customers in a certain US state: "Sorry, we are not selling to any of you any more this year, move to another state or tough luck, mates!", or something like that?surprise

  • 3WC3WC Posts: 1,114

    I got charged 6 dollars and change in sales tax on a free order. (No, I wasn't actually charged, but the sales tax still showed in the order! :) Musta been a store glitch!)

  • ReneWReneW Posts: 147
    edited December 2020

    We don't have a sales tax here in Oregon but I remember hearing they were going to be adding sales tax to the states that have it.

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979
    edited December 2020

    In the EU sales tax is about 20% on average, max is 25% (which we pay where I am).  It's been charged everywhere without exception, for decades, and there's no way to avoid it, so we're used to it. 

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,792

    Please keep this to the factual matters and avoid getting into the politics of it. Thank you.

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,618
    Sevrin said:

    tsarist said:

    Collecting tax just cuts my buying power. I used to buy from Amazon, but they charge tax now, which cuts my ability to stretch my already small money. Online companies shouldn't do this.

    What's so special about online companies?  Mom and pop brick-and-mortar stores have been and are being put out of business because of the tax advantages huge online retailers have enjoyed.

    I'm aware that Mom & Pop shops are hurting. I've spoken at length about that here and elsewhere.

    That still doesn't change the fact that many people have very little buying power.

    I WAS an Artists advocate. An elected position. I used to hear stories of hardship you wouldn't believe.

    Clients are paying sometimes less than a tenth of what they were paying for similar or even more advanced work. It costs 2 to 3 times what it used to cost to get & service a client. All the while, rents, utilities, food, etc keep going up.

    Shopping online helped me & many of my constituents from going out of business altogether. Lower prices combined with no taxes made it possible to trudge on.

    Charging tax doesn't push us back into the arms of Mom & Pop. It just means trying harder to do without.

    Me and most of my people are seriously hurt by the tax being charged online. It might not seem like much, but it adds up quick.
  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,618
    Kevin Sanderson said:

    Rendo has been charging it for some time, too.

    Which is why Rendo doesn't get much of my money anymore. Im a Carrara user, so I use a lot of Poser products, plus V4 is still my mainstay, so I buy characters & poses for her, so they get SOME money, but nowhere Near what they used to get.
  • LucielLuciel Posts: 475

    Taoz said:

    In the EU sales tax is about 20% on average, max is 25% (which we pay where I am).  It's been charged everywhere without exception, for decades, and there's no way to avoid it, so we're used to it. 

    Weirdly and annoyingly though, some companies use the 20% fee as the excuse to charge around 40% more for EU customers (e.g. a "next gen" game in the US is now $70, but in Europe is around $96, or 38% more), and often even more for other products (computer parts). laugh 

  • LucielLuciel Posts: 475

    Sevrin said:

    tsarist said:

    Collecting tax just cuts my buying power. I used to buy from Amazon, but they charge tax now, which cuts my ability to stretch my already small money. Online companies shouldn't do this.

    What's so special about online companies?  Mom and pop brick-and-mortar stores have been and are being put out of business because of the tax advantages huge online retailers have enjoyed.

    To be fair, higher prices isn't the only reason they're going out of business. If I had to buy all my computer parts/other stuff from local stores i'd struggle immensly as they simply often don't have the range and availiblity to compete with national/international storefronts before even getting to how expensive things generally are. The more "specialist" your needs become the harder it is (i've never seen a Wacom tablet at a local store, never mind the nibs).

     

    Though on a more personal note I avoid them locally because they're a bit weird. Last time I went there I asked why all their HDMI cables were around $120 or above (converted from the local currency), they told me it was "because you're paying for quality" (on a purely digital cable). The time before that they told me I couldn't get a PCIe wi-fi card, as they "only ever came in PCI" because "PCIe was only for video cards" (pointing out the PCIe cards used in the display units before them just caused a summoning of a team of experts who told me they were not PCIe cards and that PCIe slots were "only the long ones" and I should buy a new computer with a PCI slot). Miraculously I somehow bought one the same day from Amazon.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    Ivy said:

    Sevrin said:

    meganappstate said:

    Are you suggesting Daz should at some point tell all their customers in a certain US state: "Sorry, we are not selling to any of you any more this year, move to another state or tough luck, mates!", or something like that?surprise

    Whether or not Daz—or any company, for that matter—chooses to operate in that manner (and there are some that do), is an internal business decision. In principle, it's no different than a business choosing to be open 24/7/365 vs. only during certain hours, to operate year 'round vs. seasonally, or to operate as a single location or open multiple locations.

    The point is, Daz DO have an option.

    Not to mention the options of using child labour and keeping employees chained up in the basement.

    That is interesting , so are you suggesting that states or companies that do not charge sale tax or decide to use a cut off nexus to support small business are guilty of child labor law violations & sweat shops.? Boy if you could prove that is going on in the USA  there is a huge rewards for stuff like that.  in an neighboring state they rescued 39 kids for human sex  trafficking. the local news said that a neighborhood watch turned the suspicious activity to the US Marshall services. who in turn gave the group a undisclosed reward.  All i could find on it was on the AP news but it was a big deal when it happened. But I do not think that taxes being charged or not  had anything to do with it .   https://apnews.com/article/6064e7f90b9192377bc7034a6c07ae59

    Pretty sure that they're just saying the option to "choose" not to have sales tax by capping how much they sell in a state is as much of a "choice" as the option to use slave labor (ie not actually a choice) I'm not sure if it's a perfect comparison as many companies in the world do seem far more willing to use slave labor than cap how much they sell.
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,792

    The question has been answered and the thread seems to be headed off in some odd directions, so locking.

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