What's the best Cuda Graphics card for Daz Nvidia Iray?
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What's the best Cuda Graphics card for Daz Nvidia Iray?
I was thinkinmg about getting this one HP 699-22081-0202-200 - NVIDIA Tesla K40 12GB GDDR5 PCI-E GPU Accelerator Passive
PCA Tesla K40 PCIE passive Gen3 x1- 1.4 TFLOPs, 1.2Gb memory, 288 Gb/s throughput
Features: 2880 CUDA cores | 1.43 Tflops of double-precision peak performance | 4.29 Tflops of single-precision peak
Chipset: NVIDIA
Video memory: 12 GB
Video memory type: GDDR5
Interface: PCI Express
would this suit the Daz Nvidia Iray render for Realistic models and stuff and not freeze up and crash my system ??
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That Tesla K40 is an older card While very capable, it is not the best card for Iray at the moment.
It uses the older Pascal architecture. I put the K40 oerformance between a GTX1070Ti and a GTX1080Ti.
The newer RTX20XX and RTX30XX series will blow it away in terms of rendering speed in Iray. The newer Daz Studio 4.15 will take advantage of the RTX (Ampere) RT cores, tensor cores along with the available cuda cores
. In this thread, you see the comparision in some nVidia cards:
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/341041/daz-studio-iray-rendering-hardware-benchmarking/p1
for $200, the K40 is not a bad price. In addition, it is a server type card and has no video output, so you still need onboard video or an additional card for your monitors
well thanks for the info, but I guess I was wrong about that graphics card, thats an GPU Accelerator Passive no connection for HDMI or DVI or other, to connect my monitor to, I need one thats a video card to replace my now in use AMD video card 8GB cause this one rendering 3D model in nvidia Iray slow and freezes my entire system at the end on highend models!!
If you still want that K40 card, you could keep the AMD card to power you monitor and use the K40 just for rendering. Make sure you Power supply can handle the additional power (it's rated at 235W, so make sure your current PSU has another 300W to spare. Upgrades to any or the newer GPUs, make sure you have enough to power them. Those newer GPUs are quiet power hungry. A 3090 requires 350W.
is this good enough Power Supply unit??
RGB Power Supply.GMX Power Supply 1050W Fully Modular 80+ Gold Certified with Addressable RGB Light-Vairous Color Mode, RGB-1050-Rainbow
got that installed now.
so that would work with my AMD Radeon card 8GB ??
That 1050W gold should be sufficient for both cards
Link up as SLi? or NVLink?
only certain nVidia cards are compatible with NVLink RTX2070S, RTX2080/2080S/2080Ti, RTX Quadros...
It is not guaranteed that the AMD and nVidia card with work together, make sure you have updated drivers for both cards.
I know my onboard Intel Video works along with my nVidia GTX1060
hate to be the bearer of bad news here OP, but those, Tesla k40s, aren't supported past DS 4.12.
Currently the minimum, if you want a cheap high vram card, would be the Tesla M40.
If you're in the u.s. they're about $120 on ebay.
Be aware, there is also a 24GB version, but that's about $350+ on ebay.
Also, i don't know where jvrenderer is getting his pricing, but k40's are $75 usd on ebay in the u.s.
A few personal insights on the teslas and daz studio.
Power
These things are power hogs.
When they say 225w tdp, they mean it. My k20's, dual card setup, will easily hit 175-210W per card under full load, via nvidia-SMI(gpu-z is useless, more on this in a bit) or wall meter.
By comparison, my p106-100(gtx1060 equivalent), barely hits 95w, and pretty much smashes the k20(individually) in render speed.
Some of these cards require a dual 8 pin to single 8 pin cable, and i mean an acutal dual 8, not 2 coming off the same supply line.
the m40's are one of these cards. on a single line, it'll trip the powersupply.
Learned that the hardway.
Cooling
Unfortunately, these cards will require supplemental cooling, unless running a server or an actual workstation with better fans than consumer class computers.
A pair of 40x40x10mm delta(brand) fans are about the best i've found, but they are loud/high pitched when they are set to mid/high speed, which is required to keep these things reasonably cool.
If they have the support bracket on them, you can just zip tie the fans to it and you're good.
If they don't, you can usually get them( the brackets) seperate, or get one of the diy fan kits.
I find the fan kits a bit over priced, compared to the price of the fans and brackets.
Also, depending on your motherboard, you may need to invest in a fan controller, if you don't have any spare headers.
may want to do that anyway, if you can't adjust individual fans from bios or windows.
Mixing Tesla's and amd.
I've actually been doing this for years and haven't run into any major problems with Daz studio running on an amd card, consumer or pro, for video and a tesla(or p106) for rendering.
The main reason i do this, used amd cards are cheaper, in general, than nvidia cards.
The other problem, the tesla drivers don't always support other nvidia gpus., especially consumer types.
Quadro's provide the best compatibility.
Don't just go by what's shown on the nvidia download page. The listings on the webpage are sometimes different than what the driver's actually support.
For instance, the driver for my NVS 510, doesn't list any teslas on the webpage, but the listdevices.txt, shows my k20's and the m40, as well as the RTX quadros, but no consumer, gtx or rtx cards.
461.09, for server 2012 r2 64 or win 10
Here's another hiccup though.
Gpu-z will be useless for mixed cards(amd+nvidia), and sometimes even non-mixed setups, supported quadro's and teslas, for the teslas.
On the systems i've got, gpu-z usually reports the information from the video attached unit, and some of the information from the tesla's(or my p106)
But even the reported information is usually wrong, such as maxed out ram, when daz is closed out.
You'll probably wind up using the nvidia-smi command line tool if you want to monitor temps, power and ram utilization.
I'd suggest moving the exe file to the base directory for CMD, as it's easier execute from ther.
Nvidia-smi --loop=3
That'll update the information every 3 seconds, adjust to taste.
With all that said, i'd recommend against getting these, unless you want to lock into a particular version of DS,when they're no longer suppported(they, maxwell gpu's, are deprecated currently) or you like using gpu's as paperweights or desktop decoration.
My m2090's(fermi) make a lovely pair of bookends.
I'd recommend holding off and saving a bit more money, as the RTX 3060's are supposed to come out this month. msrp:$329 with 12GB vram and it's a full RTX card.
But, if that's not an option, grab em while they're hot. I've been seeing fluctuations in the price over the last few months on all the tesla's.
best?
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/visual-computing-appliance/
192GB DDR6, 30,720 Cuda cores
It will eat a pair 3090 RTX in NVlink like a tyrannosaurus eating olive on a ritz cracker.
most affordable?
no
be aware of MSRP's right now. Prices have skyrocketed again due to shortages. the 1660ti I bought 18 months ago jumped an additional $100 recently:
GeForce RTX 3060 Ti: was $440, now $530.
GeForce RTX 3070: was $540, now $640.
GeForce RTX 3080: was $750, now $840.
GeForce RTX 3090: was $1550, now $1900.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gpu-tariff-asus-priceincrease
Yeah, prices are nuts. In canada, 3090 going for like 3800 after all the taxes. I thought 1300 for a 2080 super was hard to swallow, a 3080 would cost me 2700, that's just insane.
I was thinking about tesla cards too and they seem to be super cheap. I see that k80 tesla price is less than 150$ on ebay (which is two k40 cards in one package)
But the problem is that K40 has quite a low clock speed. 1080 seems o have 2x faster clock and about the same amount of Cuda cores
anythinmg for Desktop video card for the Cuda needed for the Daz Iray I tried searching and got crap.
I need to see the visional effects before a render for fur and hair not after render cause can't adjust fur or hair after a long render time!!
I havea AMD video card using now 8GB that uses dual 8 pin power connectors and has add on for another dual 8 Pin connectors for another video card.
got 32GB ram, motherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX X399-E GAMING AMD Ryzen Threadripper TR4 DDR4 M.2 U.2 X399 EATX HEDT Motherboard with onboard 802.11AC WiFi, USB 3.1 Gen2, and AURA Sync RGB Lighting, AMD YD190XA8AEWOF Ryzen Threadripper 1900X (8-core/16-thread) Desktop Processor, Main SSD Drive 2TB, others 6TB to 14TB.
total of 5 drives plus DVDrom Burner, and Swap Driver for HDD, SSD drives...Power Supply: RGB Power Supply. GMX Power Supply 1050W Fully Modular 80+ Gold Certified with Addressable RGB Light - Vairous Color Mode, RGB-1050-Rainbow...
OS: Windows 10.
Also AMD video card won't let me see the LAMH 2 Iray Catalyzer hair or fur for preveiw!!!!
any help on that at all??
No. You need a Nvidia card for Iray, or you can render IRAY scenes with your CPU, but the only use for an AMD card is that you can have it show your desktop on a monitor.
That's an old(circa 2016-2017) promo page.
The spec sheet is for, at best, the tesla p40, based on the cuda cores and vram
Add one more 3090 and it would spank that setup.
30720@1.3-1.5GHZ, vs 31488@1.4-1.7GHZ.
Also, the ram doesn't stack on those machines, it's ony 24GB. You'd need to goto the p100 mezzanine cards to use first gen nvswitch to combine all the ram together.
Which i don't think iray supports.
Even if you paid scalper prices, you'd still come out ahead buying 3* 3090's over 8*p40's. P40's on ebay are around 2k/gpu, so 16k.
You can get full machines, with 8 gpus, for around $23k.
You could use Blender, rendering on AMD is supported.
Even worse, there's god reason for them being that cheap: the letter before the number identifies the GPU marchitecture generation and "K" is for Kepler, as an "M40" would be a Maxwell based card. And if you are looking into long term investment both should not be a good idea, with Kepler already dropped from the list supported cards with Cuda 11 in DS 4.14 (read: will have no accelerationin in DS whatsoever at all) and even Maxwell designated "deprecated" (read, will fall off the wagon whith 4.16 or whenever the next change to Cuda/iray is...
I learned the hard way when my 2 Kepler Titans stopped working with 4.14. So, the least to get was a P40, and they are far from cheap and you could get a 3090 instead and be better off due to Tensor cores. However, currently it's no good idea to go out shopping for a GPU anyway. Especially now nvidia alledgedly has plans to cripple the yet to be announced 3080Ti to 12 GB, I'd wait and see if nvidia releases a "Super" edition of the 3070 or 3080 end of this year or early next, or hold my breath for Lovelace...no, I wouldn't, actually I will.
okay, to use a Nvidia graphics card with a AMD video gaming card how would i use that just to render the fur and hair graphics in Daz Studio ??
would I be able to see the graphics on the monitor screen?
if not I would need to just replace my video gaming card with a Nvidia Cuda Core gaming Video card , not a graphics card, Right?
What is a Video gaming card that's not a graphics card?
Don't believe everything the marketing people are trying to feed you.
Well look it online a video gaming card has your video connectors for HDMI and DVI and ect, and a graphics card does not don't you people read this stuff and look at the video and graphics card to see what your buying?
I do, and the ones that say graphics card does not have a video or dvi or hdmi connectors to connect to your montors or display!!!
a Video card and Gaming video cards does!!
and I am wondering why buy a Nvidia video card to replace my AMD 8GB video gaming card when it can do the renders for LAm and stuff, just can't see or view it in Preveiw mode on Look at my hair app.
you figure you buy this app look at my hair and it supossed to pre-veiw your model with hair before you render it, but yet it does not do that at all!!
so how can you tell how long or shaggy or curly your hair or fur on the modles for animals will be or creatures???
you can't till your do a full pre-veiw render and then if it does not look good to you stop it and adjust the hairs again and try render again its a cluncky awful task to do every time and some times Daz studoi freezes up cause of it and lags your entire pc out cause of it too!!!
I tried it on The Fax and No fur rendering at all on eithe red fox or white and the Boar too and the few others that supposed to render fur or hair on them!!
also my Daz screen display seems to freeze up on the White fox and when I go to refressh to a new screen for a new model the image of the white fax stays there, I have to close the Daz Studio all togeter and start over, itsa waste of time and I am gald I did not pay a damn red cent for Daz Studio cause it sucks balls!!
the app has memory leaks and other issues they never fixes since theyr started coding their own 3D model rendering software.
which was way back in I do beleive it was around 2003 or so, when Poser came out and Daz Studio and Dazs website fro 3d Models and custom 3D models you can pay them to mkae a model for you for $1k + I asked one time and thats they price they gave me for a 3D model of a draggon from Regain of Fire!!!
I did not think $1k + dollars was worth it back then or even now!!!
cause i just requested them to mkae it and they can sell it to mkae $$ off it, not just make it for me and they still said $1k dollars or more for it!!
talk about Fraud????
PS, my AMD video gaming card for 8GB does good for gaming and Adobe phone shop 3D realistic painting and other graphics and I do some digital painting is res: sixe of 9000 pixels + so no lag there or crash or freezing.
I also do video editing some times too and do graphics effects in those.
so why is this Daz Studio so clunky and unprofessional compare to Hign End graphics rendering software i tried that cost you around $15k to buy???
and those professional apps does not freeze up or lag up doing hignb end hair and fur on realistic 3D models they let you try and use in their software and this real studio Lucas arts software!!!
and before you guys slander mew for grammar or whatever, I can't see Font size 11 and this under that, so its the forums baord fault not mine cause they don't havbe a font re-size editing in it!! and you can't copy and paste on this lame forums baord either!!!
very unprofessional!!!
so why buy the full verions of look at my hair when it does not preveiw it at all!! I tried it on fox and beaver and bear and Laion Cub and Lion and still nada!!!
just tried to do the Iray render of white fox model and before I could click render it Daz Studio hide my mouse pointer on me and I have to pres CTRL _ Delete + Enter to get Task Manger up and close th Daz Studio see how crappy and lame this app is!!!
I'll be posting a LIVE "YouTube' video about it online tomorrow on Youtube and facebook and twitter!!!
Hey is this a good Cuda cores Nvidia Video card?
PNY VCQK5200-PB NVIDIA Quadro K5200 8GB Video Card
https://www.amazon.com/PNY-VCQK5200-PB-NVIDIA-Quadro-K5200/dp/B00MO4RGUC/ref=sr_1_19?dchild=1&keywords=PNY+Quadro+K5200+VCQK5200-PB+8GB+256-bit+GDDR5+PCI+Express+3.0+x16+Workstation+Video+Card&qid=1615974414&sr=8-19
this is the type I need with video port connection for Monitor display for HDMI and DVI and ect.
No video ports "NO" viewing of what your doing on the computer.
Question those of you that have a Nvidia Video or graphics card, do you see the Pre-veiw renders of the models before you do a full render of the image your doing?
so you can see the LAMH hair and fur on the models and how does it look from a Nvidia Computer to a AMD video card computer?
whats the difference anyway, besaides Nvidia has Cuda cores toI guess speed up the render process of the 3D models?
cause I am on a AMD 8Gb video card and I still see pre-veiw renders of the LAMH hair and fur on the models once apply crrrectly.
but takes a longer time to Process when doing a full render.
cause my video card is OpenGL and checked in for it, due to i play video games as well.
and OpenCL is the basically the same as OpenGL, just like most Nvidia video cards it does not have Cuda Cores.
and AMD does not do Cuda Cores at all.
just I can still do renders and stuff just can't go past 25000 Pixels res, for render window size, and I have to have my CPU settings on Daz Studio set to CPU Load Limit to 4.
and while set to that and not full, my PC No longer lags or "Freezes" up because of Daz Studio and their memory leaks...
so whats the difference there for rendering do you see the hair and fur pre-vewi without manually adding the hairs and fur in LMAH on a pre-loaded model, or do you still have to add it too?
And question for those with just a Nvidia graphics card without display ports, do you and can you see your models and pre-veiw renders with hair and fur or even without,
with using a graphics with "NO" video port connection to monitor???
You should be able to link it in your devices for rendering provided you have the drivers but they were developed for data mining so I dont know how common they would be in the event you need support for display apps.
That gpu isn't going to solve your problems.
It can't be used, for rendering, in any version of DS past 4.12.
You're LAMH preview problems, appear to be related to loading the wrong version.
The Fox has two different versions, one for old LAMH, one for Catalyzer. The version you want is in the "Iray figures" folder.
As far as the crashing, that's a problem with LAMH, not DS. It's part of the reason i haven't ued it outside of testing. Way too unstable, imho.
As far as gpus that don't have video out ports, aka Headerless cards, they render just fine, but again, won't solve your problem with LAMH.
You can use them in a virtualized envrionment and they'll function just like a regular GPU that has video ports.
This is how stadia and Geforce Now work.
It just get routed through another gpu.
They work just fine for both.
You just can't directly connect a monitor to the card themselves, but you can use virtualization to route graphics processing through them.
Really, how you do that step by step, please?
So, this video card with Display connectors won't work for the New version of Daz Studio iray's???
NVIDIA Quadro K6000 VCQK6000-PB 12GB GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 Workstation Video Card
The NVIDIA Quadro K6000 graphics card is the ultimate expression of NVIDIA's expertise in professional graphics, empowering artists, designers, and engineers to realize their biggest visions. It combines 12GB of memory, 2880 NVIDIA CUDA® parallel processing cores, accelerated …
GPU Memory: 12GB GDDR5
Memory Interface: 384-bit
Memory Bandwidth: 288GBps
CUDA Cores: 2880
System Interface: PCI Express 3.0 x16
Max Power Consumption: 225 Watts
it seems to have enough Cudas to do good, by the looks of it, and I don't do gay ass Bitcoin minning crap either, so its not going to be used for that idot bs crap!!
only to play games and Render Daz 3D Models and Digital Graphics drawing and painting!!!
Simple
The most up to date and powerful one you can afford...
S.
1. Buy a server.
2. Buy specific gpus for the intended purpose.
3. Purchase necessary software licenses for the virtualization software and O.S. of choice.
4. Virtualize.
I said it coulde be done, I didn't say it was particularly practical or easy.