3070 RTX worth it for Iray?
Riggswolfe
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I've been pricing out computers and can get a decent one with a 3070 RTX in it and an Intel i9. My current computer is a 1080 ti and AMD threadripper CPU.
So, would this be a worthwhile upgrade? It'll cost me about $3000 or so but am thinking about doing it.
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If you're investing that much already, I'd suggest shelling out the extra for an RTX 3080 (or potentially waiting for the rumoured 3080Ti, probably in about two months); The 3070's 8GB VRAM is *okay* for Iray, but definitely less than ideal.
Seems like a lot of money for that card and that processor, especially if it's USD. It's only 8 Gb of VRAM, which is less than you have now.
It's for the whole computer. I figured maybe the internal workings of the cores would be fast enough it'd make up for losing the VRAM.
I can also get a 3090 but looks like it'll cost me almost a grand more? But it'd have 24gb vram.
I just bought a 3090, but I was upgrading from a 6 year old computer, so the difference is pretty incredible. Worth EVERY PENNY I paid though LOL
Where are you getting a 3090? I can't find anything save some over-priced, under-specced Dells.
I'm looking at computer building places, Dell is indeed one of the places I looked. I can't find any to buy sadly.
...if you are going to use the system primarily for Iray rendering and concerned about cost, I would consider an RTX 3060 (that is if you can find one as they sold out the day they were released). The 3060 is roughly a TItian-Xp but built on Ampere technology with Tensor/RTX cores, and about 105 more CUDA cores for 329$ (MSRP) instead of 1,199$. (original MSRP for the Titan-XP).
@rrwrd.love to know aas well. Still thinking about an A5000 workstation card but no info on release date yet.
There is no making up for VRAM. If your scene exceeds your VRAM, the GPU will do nothing at all. You will drop to CPU rendering, and no desktop CPU can match even a 1080ti in render speed. You'd need a $2000 Threadripper just to match a 1080!
So the 3070 is worth it IF the VRAM is enough for you. Coming from a 11gb card, though, you might find you miss that 3gb. This is a very hard decision to make, you will just have to decide for yourself if that is what you want.
Personally I passed up a 3070 that I could have bought at Microcenter, because I frequently fill up my 1080ti's VRAM. Plus it was marked up well above MSRP.
...well 3090s are available if you want to pay "Qaudro prices" for them. Came across a Founders Edition over at Amazon for a whopping 3,499$ more than twice it's original MSRP. 3060s are sold out everywhere I looked.
Yeah I couldn't accept a card with less VRAM than what I currently have. It woudl haveto be atleast an RTX A4000 with 16 GB (whenever that is released), but preferably the A5000 (ditto)....
...or the bottom falls out of the crypto market, whichever comes first
I upgraded from an Evga 1080TIs to a single Evga RTX 3090. The speed of rendering alone made the price point worth it.
If you have the money for it, get it!
If you live in the u.s./UK go to/download the site/app HotStock, they have been dropping at best buy at least twice-per-month, this month saw a drop on the 9th and the 25th at 100% of MSRP!
I think the 3060 availability may be different than the others. Nvidia has made it clear they are positioning the 3060 as a 1060 replacement. The 1060 sold millions of units. If you go by the Steam survey, the 1060 has dominated their top spot for a very long time, and by a very large margin. Steam has in excess of 120 million users, so when the 1060 sits at 15% of the user base, that means a solid 10-15 million of them are out there, and that is just for Steam. You could even argue 20 million. Nvidia made tons of them, they kept releasing different versions all the time, with a variety of memory configurations. I would bet we will see a 6GB 3060 in time.
The 3060 uses a different die than the rest of the Ampere line. So the 3060 has its own entire production line. The die is just 276mm square, compared to 392.5 for the 3060ti/3070 and 628.4 for the 3080/3090. The 3060 has a smaller die than the 2060 does, so they can get more 3060s out of a wafer than they did 2060s.
Plus nearly every single review knocks the 3060's gaming performance. Many reviews suggest buying the 3060ti instead, as it is only $70 more and yet offers so much more performance (of course that assumes MSRP). The gap between the two is just that great. So gamers will be trying to grab 3060tis and 3070s instead of this rather weak card. A lot of people own the 1080ti, and the 3060 is simply not an upgrade. It isn't even much of an upgrade for 2060 owners. So really, the 3060 is not an attractive card for many gamers unless they really haven't upgraded in a long time. Of course, some are still looking to buy for the simple fact that they will accept anything that is in stock. But for many others, the 3060 just isn't an upgrade.
...true, it does depned if you are a gamer or not. If not, the 3060 is the better card because of the extra VRAM, slightly better boost clock, and lower power consumption.
All true, if you get lucky to find the place to buy it.
If you're looking to spend about $3000, check out Micro Center. They have a Power Spec line and they sell HP Omen systems that have the 3080 or 3090. The Omen systems have mixed reviews but have premium parts. You'll probably want to upgrade the fans
My impatience for an nVidia RTX 3000 series GPU had me considering all the variants at one time or another but since nothing's came available for MSRP at retail I've stopped even trying to look and will try again Spring/Summer.
So without my desires just to have a 3000 series out of the way so I look with clearer need, price, & performance issues, my budget and performance of the GPUs say to go for the 3080 all the way. The performance jump for the 3080 over the 3060s and 3070 is quite substancial. Of course nVidia is liable to release a new generation of cards before I get one at MSRP so I'm proceeding with my nVidia GTX 1650 Supers which works out well because that's what's both in my laptop and my desktop.
Maybe by this winter one will be available. I don't even need such hardware until I teach myself keyframe animation in Blender such that I need finish rendering the animation before the next Ice Age. If push comes to shove, I will use the EEvee renderer and composite. Since my ultimate target is my own games which require my own animations targeting nVidia hardware specifically is not very customer friendly.
However, something I wasn't even thinking about when these video cards first came out was perhaps the possibility of upscaling and cleaning and restoring old photos and films that have been digitized using DLSS. I'm not sure what software is available specifcally designed for that but it would be very welcome. I once was going to sit down and manually scan and restore a whole boatload of old photo albums in photoshop essentials but that is much to slow a process. Also, I know quite well a good AI algoritm can do 90% or more of the work more accurately and much faster of course too. I want these 3000 series cards for that now more than the 3D rendering speed.
After a few months of battling DAZ using rtx3070, can tell rtx 3070 is a money waste. No more than 4 gen 8 characters or iven less with a heavy scene. Then the 8 GB vram overflows and you end up rendering with processor. It of cource takes forever.
Now looking forward to by 3090. I was stupid enough not to researh before throw out my money.