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New computer, new install - DIM not seeing my already installed?

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979

    kenmo said:

    Lightroom writes metadata for each file that is edited via Lightroom or Camera Raw. The metadata is saved in the same directory as the photo.

    When I backup my photos to an external drive, my metadata is also backed up.

    So the only database file I need to backup is my LR catalog db. Which LR gives an option to occur whenever I exit LR.

    WHY CAN'T DAZ do the SAME?

    Maybe because DAZ isn't a big company with a revenue of $12 billion/year, like Adobe.

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 923
    edited March 2021

    Taoz said:

    kenmo said:

    Lightroom writes metadata for each file that is edited via Lightroom or Camera Raw. The metadata is saved in the same directory as the photo.

    When I backup my photos to an external drive, my metadata is also backed up.

    So the only database file I need to backup is my LR catalog db. Which LR gives an option to occur whenever I exit LR.

    WHY CAN'T DAZ do the SAME?

    Maybe because DAZ isn't a big company with a revenue of $12 billion/year, like Adobe.

     

    How much would it cost to put a couple lines of code "to backup the database files?"

    IF someone could identity the exact names and path of the database & index files a simple batch file could be created by DAZ users and would suffice?

    OR someone could identity the exact names and path or the dabase & index it could be added to  backup utility's schedule ( like Synchredible)?

    BUT no one here seems to know the exact names and path or the ddabase & index files.

    Why doesn't someone at DAZ add some info to this thread?

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  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449

    The old Valentina database could become corrupted very easily, individual manifest files were/are safer.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,745
    edited March 2021

    kenmo said:

    Taoz said:

    kenmo said:

    Lightroom writes metadata for each file that is edited via Lightroom or Camera Raw. The metadata is saved in the same directory as the photo.

    When I backup my photos to an external drive, my metadata is also backed up.

    So the only database file I need to backup is my LR catalog db. Which LR gives an option to occur whenever I exit LR.

    WHY CAN'T DAZ do the SAME?

    Maybe because DAZ isn't a big company with a revenue of $12 billion/year, like Adobe.

     

    How much would it cost to put a couple lines of code "to backup the database files?"

    IF someone could identity the exact names and path of the database & index files a simple batch file could be created by DAZ users and would suffice?

    It's the Content Cluster location, set in Edit>preferences>CMS Settings among other places. My folder is six-and-a-half gigabytes.

    OR someone could identity the exact names and path or the dabase & index it could be added to  backup utility's schedule ( like Synchredible)?

    By default the folder is in the AddData folder - %AppData%/daz 3d/cms/ - so any back up should include it by default.

    BUT no one here seems to know the exact names and path or the ddabase & index files.

    Why doesn't someone at DAZ add some info to this thread?

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  • kenmokenmo Posts: 923

    AND as I posted before in my cms folder there are 1,325 files and 22 subfolders.

    Are you suggesting that there are that many files and folders? That all of these files and subfolders comprise the database?

    That seems more like a cluster mess then a proper database structure.

    There are likely much fewer database files to track Canadians and Americans tax returns for 2021.

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  • kenmokenmo Posts: 923

    jestmart said:

    The old Valentina database could become corrupted very easily, individual manifest files were/are safer.

     

    I thought someone earlier in the post stated that the manifest files were NOT database files? And are separate.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,745

    kenmo said:

    jestmart said:

    The old Valentina database could become corrupted very easily, individual manifest files were/are safer.

    manifests handle the content and absolute location of product packages (potentially more than one package per product). The CMS  doesn't track absolute locations, just the relative locations of files in mapped folders.

    I thought someone earlier in the post stated that the manifest files were NOT database files? And are separate.

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 923

    jestmart said:

    The old Valentina database could become corrupted very easily, individual manifest files were/are safer.

     

    I thought DAZ was now using PostgreSQL database? The old Valentina datas was very simple to backup, I was only 4 or 5 files. The only prerequisite was to stop the database engine before backing up. A very simle solution. 

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979

    kenmo said:

    Taoz said:

    kenmo said:

    Lightroom writes metadata for each file that is edited via Lightroom or Camera Raw. The metadata is saved in the same directory as the photo.

    When I backup my photos to an external drive, my metadata is also backed up.

    So the only database file I need to backup is my LR catalog db. Which LR gives an option to occur whenever I exit LR.

    WHY CAN'T DAZ do the SAME?

    Maybe because DAZ isn't a big company with a revenue of $12 billion/year, like Adobe.

    Why doesn't someone at DAZ add some info to this thread?

    They probably don't read it - they rarely interact with the forums.

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 923

    Taoz said:

    kenmo said:

    Taoz said:

    kenmo said:

    Lightroom writes metadata for each file that is edited via Lightroom or Camera Raw. The metadata is saved in the same directory as the photo.

    When I backup my photos to an external drive, my metadata is also backed up.

    So the only database file I need to backup is my LR catalog db. Which LR gives an option to occur whenever I exit LR.

    WHY CAN'T DAZ do the SAME?

    Maybe because DAZ isn't a big company with a revenue of $12 billion/year, like Adobe.

    Why doesn't someone at DAZ add some info to this thread?

    They probably don't read it - they rarely interact with the forums.

    So they do not have anyone acting as a moderator of the forum posts?

     

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,745

    kenmo said:

    Taoz said:

    kenmo said:

    Taoz said:

    kenmo said:

    Lightroom writes metadata for each file that is edited via Lightroom or Camera Raw. The metadata is saved in the same directory as the photo.

    When I backup my photos to an external drive, my metadata is also backed up.

    So the only database file I need to backup is my LR catalog db. Which LR gives an option to occur whenever I exit LR.

    WHY CAN'T DAZ do the SAME?

    Maybe because DAZ isn't a big company with a revenue of $12 billion/year, like Adobe.

    Why doesn't someone at DAZ add some info to this thread?

    They probably don't read it - they rarely interact with the forums.

    So they do not have anyone acting as a moderator of the forum posts?

    Moderators are not official DAZ_names, we can relay some things in either direction but can't speak for Daz as such.

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 923
    edited March 2021

    I pretty sure alot of members on DAZ do not use their official names when posting on this forum. So not sure what point you are making. I know Kenmo is only my username and NOT my official name.

    Do the moderators have NO connection to DAZ? As the original comment was no one from DAZ read the forums. It sounds to me the moderators do in fact have a connection to DAZ. OR are you suggesting anyone at all can be a moderator and DAZ has no control over who is a moderator?

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979
    edited March 2021

    kenmo said:

    I pretty sure alot of members on DAZ do not use their official names when posting on this forum. So not sure what point you are making. I know Kenmo is only my username and NOT my official name.

    Some DAZ staff members use the "DAZ_Joe" or "DAZ_CBenz" format  (just made up names for demonstration, I don't know of anyone with those names) or similar, when acting as representatives for the company.  Whether that's a general rule or whether some also may have private accounts I'm not aware.

    Post edited by Taoz on
  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,835

    kenmo said:

    Do the moderators have NO connection to DAZ? As the original comment was no one from DAZ read the forums. It sounds to me the moderators do in fact have a connection to DAZ. OR are you suggesting anyone at all can be a moderator and DAZ has no control over who is a moderator?

    They do have a connection to Daz as in "Daz selected them to be moderators". They're not Daz employees.

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 923

    Leana said:

    kenmo said:

    Do the moderators have NO connection to DAZ? As the original comment was no one from DAZ read the forums. It sounds to me the moderators do in fact have a connection to DAZ. OR are you suggesting anyone at all can be a moderator and DAZ has no control over who is a moderator?

    They do have a connection to Daz as in "Daz selected them to be moderators". They're not Daz employees.

    Thanks for the reply. Most people on forums that serve as support, even IF they are corporate employees use pseudonyms for their usernames.

     

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,442

    Thanks to this thread (and a few others) I have my DIM sorted... Now I need to know how to get my SMART CONTENT and PRODUCTS tabs to sync with DIM and what I purchased.  They are both showing I have to reinstall my content... Does anyone else with new computers have this problem????  Please see below.... 

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  • kenmokenmo Posts: 923

    DAZ just has to simplify this. It's insanely complicated and just doesn't have to be.

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,805

    I thought DIM and associated "utilities" were meant to make DAZ Studio easier to use. Instead, in my estimation, they have made DAZ Studio into a nightmare.

    I just want to "Make Art." When I buy content, I want to find it right away. I don't want to deal with databases, etc. I rarely use DIM as it is intended. Sometimes I just use DIM to install stuff so I can organize my content so I can find it easily. Everytime I see a discussion like this one, I foolishly hope DAZ will have a change of heart, and make sense out of things.

    I might get a new computer soon. I will likely ignore DIM once again.

  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    Llola Lane said:

    Thanks to this thread (and a few others) I have my DIM sorted... Now I need to know how to get my SMART CONTENT and PRODUCTS tabs to sync with DIM and what I purchased.  They are both showing I have to reinstall my content... Does anyone else with new computers have this problem????  Please see below.... 

    Have you tried reimporting metadata? You can do this by right-clicking on the smart content tab, selecting content DB maintenance, then selecting reimport metadata. Leave all the checks as is and accept. It will take a few minutes to complete. 

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,442

    certaintree38 said:

    Llola Lane said:

    Thanks to this thread (and a few others) I have my DIM sorted... Now I need to know how to get my SMART CONTENT and PRODUCTS tabs to sync with DIM and what I purchased.  They are both showing I have to reinstall my content... Does anyone else with new computers have this problem????  Please see below.... 

     

    Have you tried reimporting metadata? You can do this by right-clicking on the smart content tab, selecting content DB maintenance, then selecting reimport metadata. Leave all the checks as is and accept. It will take a few minutes to complete. 

    No I have not... Nothing is checked and I wanted to ask before I messed up my content even more... LOL.  I will try that next.  (fingers crossed)... BTW... another thing I didn't know I would have to do.. ughh... Someone smart really needs to write up a 1 2 3 to do list for new computer installs... ;)  Hint hint all you PAz.... (wink)

     

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,442
    edited March 2021

    ughh.. I've messed with the files so much now that I'm getting another error message about PostRegSQL application files are not installed...  Here's where I have everything going... Postreg is installed on my D drive with my content library.  I want the Daz program on my C drive.. I am sorry to bother you all... Once I have this sorted I shouldn't bother you all again... (sighs).... Btw.. the reimporting metadata didn't work... I have something really screwed up now (sighs) (kicks herself for being so dumb!)

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  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,442
    edited March 2021

    Darn.. I guess Postreg isn't going to my D drive.. it's going to C... ugghhh... I've really messed this up!

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  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675

    The first thing that catches my attention is the fact that you have your DIM library settings pointing to your C drive, not your D drive, which is what you said you wanted/had. That's not necessarily your fault. DIM sometimes reverts to default settings for no reason (that I can see). Another thing I see is that DIM is set up to install programs to your C drive. 

    I would recommend changing your "content path" setting to the correct folder (with your library on your D drive). I would also recommend changing the "software base" settings to the appropriate program folders on your D drive ("Program Files" for 64-bit software and "Program Files (x86)" for 32-bit software). Then uninstall postgreSQL and reinstall it with the new settings. If PostgreSQL from Valentina is installed, uninstall it and do not reinstall it. I believe it causes problems. (If your content is not showing up in the regular content tab, make sure Daz can see your library on the D drive by going into the settings there.)

    After that, try reimporting metadata, assuming you don't get the Postgresql error when you start up Daz. 

    If you do get the error, something else could be causing problems. 

    Note: I periodically check on my settings to make sure they haven't reverted to default. Also, be mindful that when DIM installs a program, it does so to the program base path specified. So If you uninstall Daz and want to reinstall it, you should change that back to your C drive before proceeding. Then remember to change it to your D drive before installing anything else! 

    Another note: if you've installed anything recently, it may have installed to your C drive. You should probably check and see if there is content there that you need to uninstall/install to the correct paths. 

    Also, don't be so hard on yourself! This stuff can be confusing and it's totally not your fault. smiley

     

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 923

    Ron Knights said:

    I thought DIM and associated "utilities" were meant to make DAZ Studio easier to use. Instead, in my estimation, they have made DAZ Studio into a nightmare.

    I just want to "Make Art." When I buy content, I want to find it right away. I don't want to deal with databases, etc. I rarely use DIM as it is intended. Sometimes I just use DIM to install stuff so I can organize my content so I can find it easily. Everytime I see a discussion like this one, I foolishly hope DAZ will have a change of heart, and make sense out of things.

    I might get a new computer soon. I will likely ignore

    DIM once again.

     

    My sentiments exactly. DAZ is an outstanding company. They have incredible sales The times I had to deal with their support was fantastic, courteous, friendly and did everything to resolve the issue.

    My only criticizm is of their insane database structure. It's WAY more complicated then it needs to be.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,745

    kenmo said:

    Ron Knights said:

    I thought DIM and associated "utilities" were meant to make DAZ Studio easier to use. Instead, in my estimation, they have made DAZ Studio into a nightmare.

    I just want to "Make Art." When I buy content, I want to find it right away. I don't want to deal with databases, etc. I rarely use DIM as it is intended. Sometimes I just use DIM to install stuff so I can organize my content so I can find it easily. Everytime I see a discussion like this one, I foolishly hope DAZ will have a change of heart, and make sense out of things.

    I might get a new computer soon. I will likely ignore

    DIM once again.

     

    My sentiments exactly. DAZ is an outstanding company. They have incredible sales The times I had to deal with their support was fantastic, courteous, friendly and did everything to resolve the issue.

    My only criticizm is of their insane database structure. It's WAY more complicated then it needs to be.

    How do you know it is more complex than it need be? How do you know it is insanely more complex?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,745

    Llola Lane said:

    Darn.. I guess Postreg isn't going to my D drive.. it's going to C... ugghhh... I've really messed this up!

    That is the software, you have (in your previous post) software set to install to the C: drive so that is correct. The software isntalaltion path is different from the location of the database itself, data doesn't go in the application folder.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,745

    certaintree38 said:

    The first thing that catches my attention is the fact that you have your DIM library settings pointing to your C drive, not your D drive, which is what you said you wanted/had. That's not necessarily your fault. DIM sometimes reverts to default settings for no reason (that I can see). Another thing I see is that DIM is set up to install programs to your C drive. 

    If DIM reverts it's most likely because something has happened to the configuration file - which lives in

    %AppData%/daz 3d/install manager/useraccounts/

    I would recommend changing your "content path" setting to the correct folder (with your library on your D drive). I would also recommend changing the "software base" settings to the appropriate program folders on your D drive ("Program Files" for 64-bit software and "Program Files (x86)" for 32-bit software). Then uninstall postgreSQL and reinstall it with the new settings. If PostgreSQL from Valentina is installed, uninstall it and do not reinstall it. I believe it causes problems. (If your content is not showing up in the regular content tab, make sure Daz can see your library on the D drive by going into the settings there.)

    After that, try reimporting metadata, assuming you don't get the Postgresql error when you start up Daz. 

    If you do get the error, something else could be causing problems. 

    Note: I periodically check on my settings to make sure they haven't reverted to default. Also, be mindful that when DIM installs a program, it does so to the program base path specified. So If you uninstall Daz and want to reinstall it, you should change that back to your C drive before proceeding. Then remember to change it to your D drive before installing anything else! 

    Another note: if you've installed anything recently, it may have installed to your C drive. You should probably check and see if there is content there that you need to uninstall/install to the correct paths. 

    Also, don't be so hard on yourself! This stuff can be confusing and it's totally not your fault. smiley

     

  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449

    DIM is the simplest and most straight forward program DAZ has made.  The database initially has little bearing on the installation of products through DIM.  What you need to understand is there are several components of DIM and associated CMS. that needs careful placement.  I would recommend something like the following.

    D:/3D Stuff

      D:/3D Stuff/Apps

        D:/3D Stuff/Apps/32 Bit

        D:/3D Stuff/Apps/64 Bit

      D:/3D Stuff/Content

        D:/3D Stuff/Content/My DAZ 3D Library

        D:/3D Stuff/Content/DIM Downloads

        D:/3D Stuff/Content/DIM Manifests

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,442

    Thank you certaintree38 jestmart ... New day... refreshed brain (sort of)... I'm ready to tackle my Daz... LOL  I don't remember having these problems when my hard drives bit the dust 2 years ago... I had my Daz program on the C: drive and all my content on my D: drive... It worked great... I guess 2 more years means my brain is 2 years older too... lol.  Ok.. here I goooooooooo... I'll keep yas posted.  (fingers crossed)

     

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 923

    Richard Haseltine said:

    kenmo said:

    Ron Knights said:

    I thought DIM and associated "utilities" were meant to make DAZ Studio easier to use. Instead, in my estimation, they have made DAZ Studio into a nightmare.

    I just want to "Make Art." When I buy content, I want to find it right away. I don't want to deal with databases, etc. I rarely use DIM as it is intended. Sometimes I just use DIM to install stuff so I can organize my content so I can find it easily. Everytime I see a discussion like this one, I foolishly hope DAZ will have a change of heart, and make sense out of things.

    I might get a new computer soon. I will likely ignore

    DIM once again.

     

    My sentiments exactly. DAZ is an outstanding company. They have incredible sales The times I had to deal with their support was fantastic, courteous, friendly and did everything to resolve the issue.

    My only criticizm is of their insane database structure. It's WAY more complicated then it needs to be.

    How do you know it is more complex than it need be? How do you know it is insanely more complex?

     

    Ok, then I'll bite. Then tell EXACTLY what is the name of the database file(s). You've already posted a directory path where over (at least in my case) 1,300 files reside. Surely NOT all these files are databases.

    Secondly, I'm now retired after spending 35 plus years as a computer network support person working mostly on file & print servers (Citrix Winframe, Novell Netware, SUS Linux & Windows Server). I also did database programing with Clipper accessing dBase files and VisualBasic front ends for SQL databases. 

    If no one knows the names of the database files and their indexes, then it is insanely complex. AND this can be justified by how many people have issues when upgrading their computers, replacing an hard drive or moving their DAZ content to another computer.

    It's almost like your DAZ computer should be virutalized via Hyper V,  Proxmox, Vmware, or VirtualBox where you can make snapshots of the virutal machine (DAZ pc). When you upgrade the hardware you would be upgrading the host computer (Hyper V, Vmware server, etc). The snapshot being a guest / virutalized PC can easily be migrated to the new hardware.

    It maybe a tad complicated for some, but for me it would be much easier then dealing with insane stuff of DAZ madness when it comes to their insane SQL database design. 

    Sorry, I do not mean to insult you or anyone. Nor is my intent to be confrontational but this issue is a very big sore spot with me. I know when a data structure is too complex. 

     

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