Useless for medical rendering, or I just haven't found what i need?
trevorgreenbank
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I downloaded DS for one reason- I'm a designer, and i've been asked to do some medical renderings. There's a LOT of them. I thought Daz would be the perfect thing when they're asking for 8 view-angle changes per zone (there are 31 zones). I seem to have run into a snag though- humans have vaginas, penises and an anus. Actually all of us have that one, and perhaps not surprisingly it is the subject of quite a bit of medical imaging. From all the hunting i've done, my understanding is that there are approx. 1 million ways to influence the shape and size of breasts, 3 or 4 ways to hobble together non-accurate renderings of both sex's genitals, and no way to have an anus. I'm sick of reading forum discussions because they all seem to be playing the same tune when it comes to accurately rendering humans- Daz is "family friendly" so very limited genital choices. Yet there's vast library of highly sexualized/sexist models available, and lots of slutty clothes to go on them. Somebody inevitably comments to "go to renderotica for your smut". The idea that people want to use DS to either render women with no genitals but giant tits fighting dragons, or they want genitals to make porn is ignorant at best.
So thus ends my little rant. Now the point- Does anyone know how i can make accurate male and female models, with genitals that look like... actual genitals, in Daz Studio? From any angle? If it's a good 3rd party resource, that's fine. Character/hair/ etc. doesn't matter, they're going to be expressionless and bald anyway (whoah daz is perfect for that).
If i've chosen the wrong tool for the job, i realize it may be in bad taste to talk about other companies, but i figure that even if i can get something that works properly, it'll take me a couple of months to do this work. So i don't want to flog a dead horse (with no genitals) if there's absolutely no decent way to do it. So if you know of the right tool for this job, or you've done similar work, help a brutha out!
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Well if you have a mint there is Zygote!
http://www.zygote.com/
they originaly owned and created DAZ
WOW those are amazing. $15,000 to make maybe $1500 if i'm lucky seems a bit counter-productive though...
Are the products at Renderotica actually unsuitable, or is it just the idea of buying from a site principally aiming at the porn and erotica sector that you object to? None of the non-porn stores are going to sell what you want, as a matter of policy (mainly determined by the payment processing companies) so your options are probably restricted to adult-content sites or somewhere like Zygote.
if you're only making $1500 for medical illustrations you need to renegotiate your contract!
Seriously if you plan to do professional medical illustrations for peer reviewed periodicals or in house literature then be assured Poser and Studio are going to be vastly limiting. If you plan to do any serious work with the interior then you need to look at Autodesk Maya or Zbrish or if your a cheapskate like me try Blender, but you will not get the detail your clients need from character posing software, it's simply not there yet.
There are some interior options outside of Zygoye that are far less expensive but rarely are they created for versatility of medial purposes, unless we end up having that zombie outbreak after all.
@Richard, no I have no problem buying anything from anywhere- I'm just looking for some guidance as far as *what* to buy. My biggest concern is spending money on something only to find out that it doesn't do the job, then back to buy something else, etc.. So essentially i was hoping to find someone who'd say "oh yeah i used Thing X and it works great".
@StratDragon, yes point taken. This is a one-time job, I won't be doing it for a career or anything. I do advertising design and 3D product renders (C4D), this job is really more a favour than a money-maker. It's educational, and wouldn't get done if they had to pay someone what the work is really worth. I feel like it's important enough to put myself out a bit- but you can see why i don't want to spend a bunch of extra money on things i'll likely use once. And the big reason for seeking input is to avoid spending extra money more that once.
thanks guys.
For education you may be able to pull it off in Poser or Studio. You said Medical and I think drug interactions with stage 3 pernicious anemia in patients taking Coumadin
What are you trying to accomplish?
If you need anatomical solutions that are not addressed by the current generation of Daz or Poser figures you can check for 3rd party "enhancements" on sites like Renderotica dot com (not sure if the even exist any longer), keeping in mind the as name of the site suggests it's not truly interested in the advancement of anatomic authenticity so much as it is providing naughty bits.
It sort of depends on what sort of medical images you trying to create.
A woman giving birth is unlikely to be doable but inserting a suppository or using a catheter may be doable with extra bits from Renderotica.
Without knowing it impossible to advise.
Most users of Daz products do stuff along the lines of warrior women with swords fighting dragons or male superheros etc ie fantasy art and that is reflected in the sort of products in store, or for the more pedestrian, realistic figures to populate scenes usually dressed.
The so called Poser Pr0n side of things being more of seedy offshoot but certainly one can take advantage of that market to get what you need.
It is certainly easier than modeling it from scratch.
Or painting it in using photoshop which is of course the alternative, Poser was originally created for this, a human poseable figure base for postworked art.
DAZ made realistic models to sell to Poser users originally to do renders in their own right before creating their own application DAZ studio.
Zygote sold off DAZ and moved into the detailed proffesional medical side of things with the accompanying highend price tag.
DAZ digital art zone, being more for the artistic side of 3D rendering.
It's actually less complicated than all that. There's zero other objects involved directly (there are some but they're not inserted). There's only two cross-sections, but i realize i'm going to have to deal with those myself. The only thing i'm missing is genitals. I won't get into details but 7 identified parts for the female, 5 for the male. Pretty simple really. But it is necessary for anyone who's studied it to be able to identify parts on another illustration or a real body. I guess i'll move my hunt to renderotica.
Renderotica IS the best choice as far as DAZ and Poser genitals are concerned. For female Gens, 3feetwolf there has a pretty decent set for both Victoria 5 and Victoria 6 (they actually include the anus). Not much available for males, though, mostly shaping/control morphs for the existing genitals.
Don't know if these'll work for medical renders, but they're the best I've found.
thanks so much for the recommendation, nightwolf. It's super valuable because of the sheer volume of "stuff" out there, lots of which isn't stellar.
Here is one being reviewed here that looks promising and affordable http://cgcookie.com/blender/2013/11/14/review-3d-total-male-anatomy-figure/
Howver, as far as I can see this is a physical model, so may not be suitable for the use required by the OP.
There was also something called "toast" which was some endeavor with male gens early on, but I don't know much about it other than the name was a mistake or an early attempt at 3D modeling gone bad.