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patboudrum
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Anybody have bought this?!?!
How many pages have this pdf?!?!
For the price of it, i would like to know more about it (before buying it)
Thank you!
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It doesn't say on the product page or the readme so I'm not sure.
You can always buy it, see for yourself and if you're not happy with it, return it - but you must do this within a month.
This product is 51 page pdf. I bought it yesterday.
And now i'm thinking about refund, because i'm disappointed
Hey Tenmau, can you elaborate why it is disappointing please?
51 pages for 35$ (in sale)... hummm... It's thin for that price...
okay, i will. The main reason for me: it's too general.
Yeah 51 pages is not much, and to make things worse, it's heavily filled with the images of Predatron's past renders. Yes, this makes it to look pretty, but as a result there's even less text
And honestly, contents are not that different from this tutorial, which i already have. Winterbrose's tutorial is 26 pages but its regular price is just 10$, and Predatron's one is $50. you can do the math...
patbou, could you tell me what do you expect form this tutorial, and i'll try to say if it likely to meet your expectations or not.
Thank you very much Tenmaru!
What i expect from it? The ins and outs of this business... all the involvements of it... etc..
A general tutorial about it for me would be good but at price I think it's too much for me for 51 pages (and even more if it's filled with a lot of images)
Correct me if I'm wrong- but it seemed more motivational than technical- aka, not the How-to aspect. That's what the description seemed like to me.
Are you just curious about it or want to start content creation and become Published Artist?
I would really like to start with content creation and becoming a PA...
I'm currently learning modeling and texturing... next step will be to make it a "product"...
But I would like to know the process from the beginning, some insights from the pros...
Not sure if i'm clear enough, english is not my primary language!!!
There was a "Content Creator Series: Drum Set" (see thread: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/33909/) that covered what you are looking for, but I'm not able to find it at the store anymore.
Yes but it also says it has advice. So I was a bit unsure about whether there was a how to aspect included. Looking at the contents it looked like a bit of how to/technical. So I was considering it but now I think I'll pass. I buy a lot of how to / motivation books on learning how to write. For ebooks you're looking at a tenth of that price, if that.
It must have been retired by the vendor. I bought that in May when it appeared in fast grab.
There are several tutorials by Fugazi over at Rendo called the Digital Tailor. He also sells a tutorial here on how to make a fantasy tower.
Lady Littlefox has a tutorial series over at RDNA. The first set walks you through modelling clothing, uv mapping and texturing. The rigging tutorials are for the older legacy rigs of Poser and DS. Even though DS doesn't use that form anymore, You can still learn a great deal from mastering or at least having more than a passing familiarity with it. Her second set is how to model hair. She doesn't get into the how to's of becoming a vendor. RDNA's annual sale will be coming up soon (late November or early December). You can often pick up both sets for a good price.
I am not buying it but
Predatron does have an impressive 3D product portfolio that seems to sell well
Winterbrose/Rolow has only tutorials
just saying that goes "those that can, do, those that cannot teach"
Don't dream it, Be it? :)
Winterbrose has dozens of props, poses, and textures for sale - just not here.
Winterbrose has dozens of props, poses, and textures for sale - just not here.
thats good and not knocking him or his tutorials
just the topic of Predatrons is marketing at DAZ and he is doing it successfully himself so prob a better area of expertise for him
since the two were being compared.
I myself would not buy either.
I do buy products from artists and must check out Winterbroses too then!
Doing is the best teacher, and making mistakes is part of the learning process. Don't be afraid to make them. Learn by doing.
Now Predatron and Diane have a truly impressive catalog of products. And I'm sure they can impart some wisdom and knowledge in their tutorials. Don't know Winterbrose.
I became a PA in 2010, there was a publishing link in the old store web site when I wanted to start, and I read through the pages then. This store has links here at the bottom of the page and the info looks similar.
http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/publishing/start
When you're ready, just do it.
There's also a FAQ on those pages. Including some notes on being rejected. Again, failure is sometimes the best teacher.
http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/publishing/faq/product_rejected/start
Hi everyone,
We're obviously really sorry to hear that some of you are not happy with our e-book.
It's the first time we've created such a product, and it wasn't done lightly or without a lot of thought and discussion with the guys at DAZ.
We know that it isn't for everyone and was carefully written for a certain type of customer based on emails and discussions we've had with people over the past years that have asked us about our success as a DAZ PA.
There are many people who just don't know where to start and also feel like "they're not good enough" or feel they need some specific encouragement to take that initial step especially when creating 3d content is their passion. Not everyone knows how to get started and even if they do, many get paralysed by the fear of worrying if they're doing the right thing. There are tutorials that cover the step by step stuff whereas we wanted to create something that is more about inspiration, motivation, specific insight and advice that has helped us get where we are today.
Ultimately, we want you to be happy with your purchase and to absolutely ask for a refund if you're not.
Predatron and Diane
Hi Diane, thank you for coming to this thread. Although my feedback is negative one, i want to explain it slightly better, and i hope it'll be useful for you. All that is written below is my personal point of view, and even if it can sound harsh it doesn't intend to discourage or offend anyone.
First of all, i'm exactly the customer that you are aiming for. I consider becoming PA and now in process of pulling together my first product.
As i mentioned i already own one of the same kind of products: this Winterbrose's tutorail
So i can't help but compare. Obviously, when i bought your one, i wanted to learn something new. But besides the part of your personal story, the contents were basically very similar in terms of advises how to get into content creation. I totally didn't get that "wow that was useful" feeling after reading yours. I hope that the vendors do some research prior to releasing their work to see what is already done,
I absolutely cannot understand why did you need to put so many images in this tutorial. I did some counting and from overall 50 pages (excluding cover), there are 25 pages where text is taking less than 50% of page content. Images are of course good, when you use them to prove your idea, or describe them as an example. But i was quite shocked to realize the most of pictures are there ...just because they are there. There were absolutely no reference to them from the text. If I want to take look at some random Predatron's renders, i can always go to his vendor page, right? So I was expecting a deep tutorial from very experienced vendors, but got the gallery of their work mixed with mostly very general advises and I didn't get any inspiration from this.
Considering this, let me compare the pricing. Your tutorial is basically FIVE times more expensive (at regular price) but definitely not five times more useful. I would let it slide, if the price wasn't so different. But now i can't help but to think that i could use my $30 in more useful way, and that's why i'm going to refund it.
patbou, from my experience i can recommend to concentrate on more specific how-to tutorials first, and get this one when you are already near completion of your product (if you still fell you need it at that time)
from my personal experience:
those that can do good cannot teach
I can teach okay, I just can't write to save my behind.
Here's how to become a PA: Learn how to model, texture, pose, make shaders/materials, make characters, whatever you like to do. Learn how to do it pretty okay. Spend 6 months releasing freebies... like a lot of freebies. Try to make them as complete and perfect as you can, putting out a garbage freebie isn't really going to teach you much and isn't going to build you a good reputation. They don't have to be huge things or even complete sets, but things that push your limits of knowledge so you get better. Ask for feedback on your freebies - very important! Your downloaders will find all sorts of things you may have missed, or have suggestions on how to make things easier to use. (keep a mental or real list of the people that repeatedly give you good feedback) When you are comfortable make a "real" product. Get ahold of those good feedback givers and have them beta test it for you. Don't be afraid to send it right to Daz after you've ironed out the kinks, it will probably be rejected because Daz is exceptionally picky but it's worth a shot! Just don't beat yourself up about it, seriously, even top PAs here have products rejected. Next stop is Rendo or RDNA, Rendo has more customer traffic but tons of products that will bury yours very quickly. RDNA has less traffic but much less product being released to knock yours off the front page, so it's really which site you like better. As far a the actual submitting go, after the first product at daz which just gets emailed the actual uploading of a product is the easiest here at Daz, by orders of magnitude, really.
And really, that's it.. without getting into the technical things. Keep learning and don't get discouraged.
I have just finished reading this tutorial by Diane and Predatron and I like it. Everyone is different but I think that if you are planning to become a PA and you are just at the beginning of this road (as I am), the tutorial is well worth reading.
First, I appreciate having lots of pictures there. They make the book very colorful and what's even more important, they help to understand the personality of the authors. Of course, you always can go to the vendor pages of Predatron and Diane and look for all their products there. I did it myself out of curiosity and to gather more information. Nevertheless, having lots of pictures next to the text was quite useful.
Second, the language is good and easy to comprehend.
Third, I've found in this tutorial some interesting insights and little details about being a PA artist. Something that was new and important to me. So I am glad that I bough this tutorial. Thank you, guys, for creating it.