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3DUniverse's characters often have their own lights. Kimberly has a particularly good set.
And heaven knows there are a lot of them. Particularly over on Mankahoo.com where a number of things that have gone through the Clearance collection on Rendo can sometimes still be found.
Good point!
Haha, well I was planning on it being a toon Smacky, but it just wouldn't look right with a realistic transmapped afro. It ended up being a tracing reference that works fairly well for drawing somewhat Disney-esque figures, although the ears need to be come forward much more and the jawline isn't quite right. Thanks very much!
Those do look like decent shaders for toon hair too. You don't want the hair to be textureless and plastic, but you don't want individual strands in most cases either.
...I know that in Daz 3.1 I was able to reduce the level of detail of an object (helped a lot in large scenes). Can't seem to find where to do that in 4.6.
I didn't have any character in mind. It was just a test to show what the A4 American morph looked like when it was converted to G2F.
I didn't want to dial in any other morphs; to keep the conversion display as pure as possible.
Huh..I'll take a look at Aiko 4 for this later...
What do/would you use to render, if Reality isn't a good choice, since that's the built in one?
(I really don't grok the differerent render choices and all that...a lot of this is very alien to my mind set).
I loaded up Aiko 4...never used it before...Do I have these right? I messed with the head morph levers...
These are them?
...sigh... what I wouldn't give for a pixel-perfect Vanellope von Schweetz morph. That character is so sweet she literally lives in a land made of candy! Easily the most adorable Pixar character ever. Sadly, I think I'd need a Pixar-level skill in modeling before I even attempted such a feat.
They look fine but you'll need to locate the pupil/Iris dilation dials to make them larger to get rid of that "deer caught in headlights" look! lol
Thanks..yeah..that was Load the figure, set the morph, repeat..just to make sure I understood the tech right.
Pixar won't help you there...Vanellope is from Disney proper :D
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Ok I made a A4-American morph for G2F, and tried it out.
Using Aiko anime eyes, what felt like the best skin I had (not a toon skin, though)..
Next to it is the same figure, but with the Aiko morphs off and Eclypse morph on.
Just a basic proof of concept render, but The Girl 6 is actually pretty easily morphable into the Disney style. The only thing that differs is the lips, which are easy enough to slim down. After that its just a matter of fiddling.
Thinking about it, have you looked at Lil Bit from RDNA?
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Kamion: Hmm..interesting...
...oooh that looks really sweet. Maybe Girl6 needs to go on the list.
So..(showing my newbieness)...would it be a matter of shaders and skins that would be the key for making the test render above more...toony?
Yes, I think working on the shaders and textures is the first step towards making a more toony render. You may even want to try not using any textures at all to start, just set the diffuse colors and see how it looks.
You'll probably also want to use a combination of global lighting (like the UberEnviroment, AoA's Advanced Ambient (that's what I use), or even Lux (but you might get too-realistic/creepy results with that) and a directional light for shadows. That will help you avoid having pitch-black areas of the image or character (which do not happen in either cartoons or real life unless you're in a pitch-black room with a very small light source).
Hope that helps a little. :) Good luck!
edit: very nice job Kamion! I like adding just a little bit of Girl 6 head into my female characters to give them more personality.
Just stumbled across this thread again and decided to see what I could knock out in an hour or so... This is G2F using the Girl 6 body, mixxed with Genx2 ports of Hitomi, Laura, A3, Hailey for YTJulie and V4 Gaia, and a lot of little individual tweaks like Hands Petite and Arms thicken. Skin is Tosca's The Candy Shoppe for Hitomi with eyebrows from Zev0's SkinBuilder.
A different shot that makes the Hitomi DNA more obvious. I think if I were trying to build Frozen/Tangled clones, I'd definitely start with her and Girl 6 rather than Jasmine.
That is some impressive work. Nicely done.
In my mind the recent Disney characters (Frozen, Tangled, Brave) aren't really what I would call "toony." Except for Merida to a small degree, since her face seems a bit more stylized.
They seem to fall somewhere inbetween realistic and toony. Not 50/50 but in various points in-between.
...yeah, Merida's head shape was a real challenge, particularly starting from the more "realistic" Julie instead of a toon character. Took a lot of individual rescaling on each individual axis and even then, I only was able to get "so close". Had great set of pre-production images to work from though.
Need to figure out how to adjust the AoA's SSS Toon Skin Shader to get better results than I have so far. As I mentioned didn't like the look of her lower face and the eyelashes didn't match up with the edges of the eyelids.
That is some impressive work. Nicely done.
In my mind the recent Disney characters (Frozen, Tangled, Brave) aren't really what I would call "toony." Except for Merida to a small degree, since her face seems a bit more stylized.
They seem to fall somewhere inbetween realistic and toony. Not 50/50 but in various points in-between.
I'd say that they're actually a good bit more 'toony" than many of Disney's conventional cel animated features... look at Sleeping Beauty and Pochanatas, for example.
Personally I wasn't crazy about the look of Brave... I thought How To Train Your Dragon pulled off the same design aesthetic much better... but I think the Disney group made a huge breakthrough with the look of the CG characters on Tangled and those lessons were carried on through wonderfully with Frozen. On the one hand, the faces are wonderfully simplified so that the emotions read well, but they avoid both the made of mushy silicone look of shows like "The Croods" at one extreme and the "doll-like" look that many other CG animations tend to fall into. And on the other hand, the designs fit comfortably in a line up beside characters from The Little Mermaid, Beauty & The Beast, Mulan, etc.
(Really looking forward to Big Hero 6.)
Well, I tried doing tweaks in a figures face and discovered I really have no idea how to do that kind of stuff :)
So I set it aside and did some experiments in learning how to make a shag carpet using a texture image and generating a displacement map. (Did I mention I'm rather new at actually doing this :) )
I tried just going diffuse on the figure and it had a nice feel , but something was off...after a while I realized there were no eyebrows...so that squiked me a bit .
@Cybersox13: when you say "This is G2F using the Girl 6 body, mixxed with Genx2 ports of Hitomi, Laura, A3, Hailey for YTJulie and V4 Gaia,"
Do you have head morphphs for Hitomoi et al that you used, and just using the Girl6 body, ie leaving the head in Genesis form?
And heaven knows there are a lot of them. Particularly over on Mankahoo.com where a number of things that have gone through the Clearance collection on Rendo can sometimes still be found.[/quote
If by "Ali's hairs" you mean mine, that's because I tend to swap out the 'real' hair shaders that come with it and substitute my own shaders (which, actually, I use Cookie/Chip toon hair textures or a velvet) which is why they DO look toony. :P It's just a style preference. ;)
I have to say, comments like "I tend to swap out the ‘real’ hair shaders that come with it and substitute my own shaders (which, actually, I use Cookie/Chip toon hair textures or a velvet" just boggle my mind at the creativity and range of versitility the users around here have...these kind o things wouldn't even occur to me.
My finished Disney style render. I ended up using a Fabiana skin from over at rendo, but the eyes are still from the Girl 6. The I switched over to render in Blender, because I am more used to the SSS there.
Super strong SSS is probably the main thing to make your figure toony, but there really isn't a perfect analogue for a Disney style texture. as far as I can tell, they don't have much in the way of thinks like pores or skin wrinkles, but the lips and eyelids have very distinct texturing. Also, they all have freckles. So many freckles. (I get it Disney, they're cute and relate-able.) Does anyone else have ideas for skin textures? generally I strive for realism, so this isn't exactly my forte.
P.S. I think making this may have given me diabetes... I didn't even like Frozen and Tangled that much. I preferred the Croods!
P.P.S. Did I make the skin too yellow? It was looking super pink, but I may have over-corrected.
edit/ P.P.P.S. I made a super quick morph to smooth out the curves of G6's lip. If I make it slightly less terrible, would anyone be interested?
...wow that is really nice.
I wonder if rendering in Lux might not help as well since it handles SSS a bit differently.
That is an excellent render Kamion. I've had a very difficult few days, and seeing that sort of progress on a toony figure made things a tiny bit better. :)
I put all this aside for a bit to work on other stuff, BUT it looks like 3DU just put out Willow for G2F
http://www.daz3d.com/willow-for-genesis-2-female-s
So...maybe that'll be the way to go.
So far I've only shared this one with SnowSultan (thanks again for the encouragement!) but here's my attempt at Anna to keep Kamion's adorable Elsa company.
I figured she wouldn't be too great a leap from my avatar character. Turned out to be a lot more work than expected. I admit, I added the blush and freckles and darkened her brows in postwork.... I have a 3d paint program but not that confident in using it yet.
I built this character on top of a custom Genesis base so some morphs were at their limits before I even began, which made it tricky. I think it would be easier to build on top of the G2F Willow. Can't wait to see what SnowSultan and others come up with!
I have an idea: let's share our recipes for the cool characters this thread showcases. What do you think? Exact percentages of all morphs used.
Wow, this resemblance is impressive. What hair is that?
...nicely done.
...as to the "recipe" for Merida, though she is still a WIP, I'll have to open the file and note down the settings.