Oculus Quest 2 experiences?
LeatherGryphon
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I'm considering getting into VR for possible future use with DAZ softwares, but right now am interested in it's basic functionality and operational considerations.
I understand it can apparently store games internally and plays cordless (i.e. no data or power cables). But can it connect to a PC either with a cable or wirelessly? And can it be powered with a cord?
I understand that there are two fundamental models of the Quest2 at this time, 64GB and 256GB storage capability. Do all one's games have to be stored on the Quest? Or can they be rotated in/out to a PC's storage?
How adjustable are the optics? I have cataract lens replacement and one of my eyes focuses at a different distance than the other. Are the internal Quest lenses independently adjustable? Is that necessary?
I ask these questions because I know nobody with any VR devices and I have no car, and any place to test drive one of these units is hours away.
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You can connect it to a PC if you have a link cable. I bought one for about $80. The link cable will charge it while you're using it. Also, games you play from your pc don't need to be stored on your Quest, so that's one way to extend the storage if you go for the 64GB model. You have to be careful where you buy your games... If you buy a game from the Rift program on your pc (that's what oculus uses on the PC), you won't be able to download it to your Quest2 to play wirelessly. You cannot transfer a Steam to your Quest2 to play wirelessly either. It stays wherever you bought it.
The lenses can be moved into three different positions. They cannot be independently adjusted. I keep my house at 64F and when I put my headset on, the lenses were foggy for a while because of the cold.
Games tend to be on the pricey and short side. There are a few cool free games, but many are $30 and (according to reviews) don't last as long as most non-VR games in that price range. I tend to go for sales and stuff that costs less, so I ended up with a bunch of crappy VR games. Thankfully I was able to return most of them. (Part of the problem was that some games are made for different headsets. You have to be careful about that).
What's more, there just aren't a lot of games yet. There are creative programs where you can sculpt and stuff. You can even export your sculpts as .objs. But I didn't try those so I don't know how they work.
I ended up returning my Quest but keeping my Link Cable. I had had the thing for 2 weeks and realized I hadn't used it for over 7 days. My husband also bought one, so if I really want to play, I can just borrow his and use the Link cable. Full disclosure: I don't like active video games. I don't want to swipe at things that are flying at me, or jump around my living room for fun. I also don't like video game combat, so that ruled out a ton of games as well. If you like that sort of thing, this could be right up your alley. The most popular games seemed to be Beat Sabre and shooting games.
I returned the Quest 2 a few weeks ago and I still haven't asked to use my husband's headset. So I feel like I made the right decision. But I've seen other people swear by it, and some say they spend half their time using it, so I guess your mileage may vary.
If you really want to try one, Amazon probably has them in stock and offers free refunds. Just take care of your packaging and you should be good to go.
Thanks for the information.
I'm not really a gamer, but have played all the Myst series games (several times). I've recently seen advertisements for a VR version of an updated version of the original Myst game. And there is a VR version of "Obduction" (last release in the Myst realm of functionality), and tne next game in the series will be "Firmament" and is being written from the ground up with VR in mind. The trailers for it look amazing.
I figure it's worth $300 to experience VR. I don't really expect to become an expert or even addicted to VR but I would like to experience it. Good or Bad. It certainly seems more interesting than a 4K TV or a "3D" TV.
Actually you can play all your PC VR games on the Quest 2 wirelessly. There is a program called Virtual Desktop for the Quest2 that does exactly what the name suggests it does. It streams your PC desktop to your headset either wired or wirelessly. You had to jump through a few hoops to get it set up when I bought it (the wireless portion was a free add-on) but I believe with the latest updates this is no longer the case, it just works. Having played Trover saves the Universe from my Epic Games library wirelessly on a different floor in my house to the PC I can attest to it's viability. Accessed lot's of Steam library stuff too (Half-Life 2 in VR, yes please).
Also check out Gravity sketch in VR for the creative side, it's not all games. Recently went free so you can't argue with that.
For older games there is a program called vorpX that converts non VR games to VR. A couple of the Myst games are natively supported.
I follow a guy on YouTube who does a series called 'Will it VR' where he shares his experiences of getting things to run. Well worth a watch if you're into that kind of thing.
WILL IT VR? - YouTube
Quest 2 is great for some PC-based VR games like Asgard's Wrath (Oculus) and IL-2 Sturmovik (Steam). The former works well, since it supports the Oculus 2 controllers, but it takes a lot of physical space to "swing swords." The joystic is supported on IL-2, while the Oculus 2 controllers are not - Just make sure that your joystick has enough buttons to support the functions you need. This will be a big problem for more complex flight and space simulations, like DCS World and Elite Dangerous, as you cannot see the keyboard with the VR headset on, making some of flight functions inaccessible. There are controller issues with non-Oculus VR games, that need to be resolved.
I have heard that some non-VR games such as Witcher 3 can be played as VR using VorpX software. Unfortunately, VorpX detects as a virus, when you try to install and run it, so it is not a solution for me.
I got the 64GB model, since I only plan to play PC-Connected games. I am not interested in "native" Quest 2 games, since they tend to be for children and are rather simplistic. I do not think that the Quest 2 has enough compute power to support good "native" games.
The lenses are not independently adjustable - are you wearing glasses to correct it? The current headsets uses fixed focal points and its good news if you're far sighted because then you most likely won't need to wear glasses at all. Near sighted you will have to wear glasses.
VR is a bit like reading, some people like it, others not so much... if you don't like to do certain things in RL you will probably not enjoy them in VR either :) Personally I absolutely love VR, its opened the whole world and I have met so many awesome people in the metaverse. I'm currently using VorpX to play Valheim with a friend and having an absolute blast. Yes VorpX will throw a virus warning because of the way it hooks into games to add the VR overlay, but I added to my clean list and no problems at all with it.
I finished Obduction a month ago - it was amazing, as a Myst fan I was in heaven :) The puzzles were challenging but so much fun to do while immersed in the whole space. I do recommend a kick ass graphics card for it though, its intensive and lesser cards will struggle and it won't be a fun experience.
There are companies that will make specific lens adapters to your presciption (so you don't have to wear glasses if you do). The headset comes with a 'glasses spacer' that will accomodate glasses but I wanted the freedom to not have to wear mine so I have the adapters. I had to send them my eye prescription and they made my lenses within a week or so. They fit over the existing lenses and work incredibly well.
The number one troubleshooting tip on the vorpX site is 'Uninstall McAfee' :)
Yes I did the same :) best of all no more foggy glasses
yeah, Oculus Quest 2 and virtual desktop is a match made in heaven. I have maybe 4 games from the Quest 2 store and about 50+ from Steam that are PCVR and most work flawlessly with VD and wirelessly.
Honestly, the best part of VR for me is being in the game and using my body instead of just my hands on a mouse. It can be a real workout depending on the game. Each time I play Blade and Socery I end up covered in sweat
Obduction is on my wish list. I was never a Myst fan, which is probably why I haven't picked it up yet.
I just started playing Cosmodread (space horror) and it is scaring the crap out of me each time I play making my way thru a dark derelict spacecraft in the dark with creatures inside
You really need to try VR before deciding if it's for you are not.
We kind of went off on a tangent possibly with this one. Much like a phone you can install and uninstall apps/games from the Oculus store when you want and they install to the memory of the headset. They will stay in your library to be reinstalled as and when you want so you can rotate in and out what you are currently using. The VR apps and games on the Quest tend to be small though. I have 79 apps and games installed on a 256GB set and I'm not even halfway full yet.
Another thing is that Oculus has it's own PC program, like Steam which can download games to your PC hard drive. A lot of games you buy for the Quest will have cross play, that is if you buy the Quest version you will get the Rift version free. The Rift version can be downloaded to your PC and played from there via cable or Virtual Desktop. So you can have the Rift ones on your PC and only install the Quest specific ones to the head set.
Head spinning yet?
I wanna try VR, but not bad enough to blow like 600 bucks on a set though. Maybe if I get a huge job or something, and have a nice stack of cash burning a hole in my pants.
Oculus Quest 2 $299
I’m addicted to the Quest2! Especially through Covid it has been almost my entire social life in AltspaceVR. Met so many cool people from all around the world and I have 2 VR art galleries and plan on doing more. Golden Apple Comics along with Heavy Metal Magazine did an event there, there are seminars and parties and networking events... VR is not just about gaming. There are all kinds of cool VR videos, you can fly, travel to other countries, to other planets, walk on the moon and Mars... VR is the best invention since the smart phone!
I've almost convinced myself to go ahead and get the $299 Oculus Quest2. But after building two relatively high powered desktop computers in the last 18 months, $300 more is hard to let go of.
Still waiting on the 3rd stimulus check, ... maybe this week? I hope the stimulus arrives before the stores run out of Oculuses (Oculi?)
Question about this business of having to use Facebook to log in to use the Oculus Quest 2. It it true? I've avoided Facebook like the plague (yes the current one). Is there no way to avoid Facebook to use this device? If so, that may be a deal breaker for me.
Yeah, I am in canada, where everything but my paycheck is double :P
Yup, no way to avoid it, or being tracked by it, or if you want to go down the rabbit hole, having it listen to you at all times and even watch you from its cameras, lol. I got one not too long ago, and think it's great, I have an Oculus Go as well, which is like its little sibling, but you can't connect that one to a PC. I've enjoyed my use of it so far, which isn't a terribly large amount of time, but I just bought Half-Life Alyx last night and look forward to playing that game. I did have a few issues getting the link cable working stable, but I think I've got it figured out. May try virtual desktop if all the bugs I had aren't chased away fully.
But yes, facebook is a must, and you have to be connected at all time it facebook to use the Quest. You also need a smart phone or tablet to get the thing setup initially, so it's not exactly standalone either.
cool channel. Thanks for sharing.
No problem. His experiences, especially Cosmodread and Cyberpunk 2077, where he plays on both Quest 2 and Rift S have nearly persuaded me to get a Rift S to plug into the main PC and use the Quest 2 in the living room for family fun.
I tried Virtual Desktop. All it does is give you a flat 2D non-VR view of your game on the Quest 2. I would rather just use my monitor. Unreal Engine 5 might be a solution for some older games. I have heard that it supports VR and is backwards compatible with UE4. I expect that people will try to port UE4 games to UE5 (and hopefully VR).
Don't. I have a Rift S, I got on launch and it has been great. The Quest 2 has far better resolution than the Rift S though and with the wireless option thru VD, it is just a better option all around (and I was a skeptic at first)
You obviously weren't using it correctly. Virtual desktop allows you to launch your PCVR games and play them in VR. true you can also use it to view and do things on your desktop.
Yeah, Facebook is the biggest downside to the Quest 2. I was one of those that never had a FB account and had no interest whatsoever in ever having one, so it was almost a deal breaker for me as well. But the process was easy and flawless and after turning off some security settings, I haven't even noticed that it's there other than some random friend requests, LOL
Thanks for the input, appreciate you sharing your experience of the two. I was going off the comparison of Cyberpunk 2077 on both via vorpX in the link above. For some reason the Rift S was significantly better at displaying the game than the Quest 2 depite it's increased resolution/frame rate.
(His Cosmodread one is skewed because he played the Quest 2 version on the Quest 2. (Duh). Had he played the Rift version on Quest 2 it would have been a more direct comparison. The file sizes are miles apart and I'm guessing the extra on Rift is better graphics)
it could be a VorpX issue since Cyberpunk wasn't made for VR and there are some issues playing it in VR.
Oh yeah, saw a comparision of Cosmodread on the quest 2 version vs the PC version and there is a difference which is why i don't usually buy games that are Quest 2 only if there is a PC version. here is the video
I have tried all my games with both just to see the differences and some issues are more glaring than others. HLA was much sharper for me on the Quest 2 wereas Arizonia sunshine didn't look much different, maybe because it was an older game. On paper the Quest 2 resolution is 1832 × 1920, whereas the Rift S is 1280 × 1440. The quest 2 even beats the Valve index at 1440 × 1600
I bought the Rift S and played it for about two months before I just went back to gaming on my PC. I love the idea of it and had fun with Skyrim VR and Fallout VR (the main reasons I bought it), but since I'd already logged 100s of hours in both games pre-VR I just had no desire to keep playing.
And now with the mandatory Facebook account login 2 years away, I think I might see if I can sell it and revisit VR when I find something that hooks me.
Oh poo.
I thought I'd come with a good excuse for not spending $300+ Now I have to put it back on my wishlist.
Wait a minute FMSCDesigns!! Are you saying that you can use Virtual Desktop (VD) to launch PCVR games and play them in VR on the Quest 2, like you can use SteamVR to launch PCVR games for Quest 2? Or are you saying that you can use VD to launch non-VR PC games and play them in VR, which is what VorpX is supposed to do?
I'll jump in if I may.
Virtual Desktop is a program that let's you play any PCVR games on the Quest 2 either wired or wirelessly (or do anything on your computer with the controller as mouse and a virtual keyboard). You run it on the Quest 2 with a streamer program running on your PC. It is just streaming your desktop to your headset essentially. It initially shows your desktop in 2D like looking at a cinema screen floating in space but when you launch a PCVR game on your PC it plays it in VR on the Quest 2. PCVR games basically treat the Quest 2 as a Rift S, so any game that will play on Rift will play on the Quest 2 e.g. Half-Life Alyx with full controller support. The advantage is that you can play games that are not on Steam, so as in my earlier example I can play a VR game in my Epic Games library by launching via Virtual Desktop. Same would go for EA play, Ubisoft Connect etc.
vorpX is a program that will play non VR games in VR on the Quest 2. It runs on your PC. So you need to be wired/using Virtual Desktop to see anything on your headset. Important note - it only converts the visuals to the headset. It does NOT make any changes to the controls so you still have to play the game with a controller or keyboard and mouse. KB&M can be tricky because you can't see the keyboard any more, you need to know where your keys are by touch/memory.
FMSCDesigns will elaborate I'm sure.