No Poser Support now?
McGrandpa
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There you go DAZ. What were the words you used? "We will never abandon Poser". Yeah. Those were the ones. I see numerous products in the store here that have no Poser support at all. Poser cannot even see the items. Unfortunately, I've even bought products that have no Poser support at all. There are no Poser Companion Files. Perhaps you want us to just disappear? We who are not going to use Studio or Carrara at all?
Thanks DAZ.
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Which DAZ created products are you referring to?
If you are speaking of PA created products, DAZ cannot force PAs to create items for Poser compatibility. The reasons for PAs who do not make items that work in Poser have been touched on many times. The DAZ-O's do have Poser support however. However as the feature set between the two programs widen, I would expect that compatible products to be more difficult to impossible to create as time goes on.
OK. So, I want the ability to add PA's/Vendors to my "IGNORE" list, and a GLOBAL option so that I will never see that person or their products anywhere on this site. I have been here 10 years now at DAZ. It was The FIRST 3D site I ever registered at. I haven't given up on DAZ, and I sure hope they don't give up on me. I figure I got maybe 10 years left. I want to enjoy them. This means I will not install DS again, nor Carrara. So, if any vendor, DAZ, Renderosity, RDNA, Partnered Artist or whoever does not support Poser, I do not support them. THAT should be a given but apparently isn't.
The items haven't been JUST Genesis/Gen6 stuff. I am seeing more and more prop sets for DS only. Even my most favorite character artist for V4 has, well, apparently dropped V4. All must eat, all must make a living. Character artists too. Going Gen6 only seems to be headed to no Poser support too. So, after posting that, a friendly little birdie points out that I need to be looking for the item to say explicitly it supports Poser through DSON. DS only uses DSON too, of course. So it has to say POSER is supported in plain language.
The items seem to be PA items. So, I am dead serious about kill filing all vendors that do not explicitly support Poser. I do not want to see them or their products in the store.
McG.
Search Daz originals is your safest bet
yes sadly a two edged sword for carrara users too
the new technology in DAZ studio is pretty awesome and many PAs embrace it but likewise Poser weightmapping excludes much stuff for carrara users like me too, I look for P7 and up in supported apps there.
I fully understand their reasons and been using studio a lot lately as a result but not my fav app by any means and love it when stuff just works in any app, carrara and Poser which I also have as well, realize not all will.
The DO's do as a rule though even many of those need C8.5 or PP09 P10+ however.
I understand your frustration and annoyance, I feel the same when I go to Rendo and other sites where vendors don't support DS, and things more and more are not compatible with DS, including props and sets.
The whole set up at other sites is so Poser orientated I rarely shop elsewhere any more,
although Hivewire caters to both where possible and encourages and supports their vendors to do so if they want.
We've been through this discussion over and over and over and over. I'm done.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/47328/
Yes, as a matter of fact they can. If they wanted to.
I'm not saying they SHOULD, but if they don't, they should man up and accept the blame for their policy.
Is it just me or is there no longer an option to sort by compatibility? It would be very useful to have one, then you could simply look for all Poser stuff and/or all DSON items that include Poser Companion files. Much better than going thru a ton of pages clicking on every product link and trying to figure out what will or will not work in one's program of choice.
Yes, as a matter of fact they can. If they wanted to.
I'm not saying they SHOULD, but if they don't, they should man up and accept the blame for their policy.
They could if they wanted. They just wouldn't have PAs to sell you things. PAs sell their products through DAZ, they are not employees.
I agree that maybe users should have the option to sort by compatability. But I don't want it sorted for me if I don't want that option. I use Daz Studio 97 percent of the time, I use Poser 2 percent of the time, Cararra maybe 1 and numberious other programs (and I mean numberous) the rest of the time. Now for me everything is able to work in everything else due to my own work flow (As complex as I want it to be....lol) But I can only hope that people have to understand that being usful in a program is a lot to do with knowledge of how you can force things to be compatible. To me 100 percent of things for sale here work in Poser and Daz. Same goes with any other store online. Not a fight but truth is if you really want it to work you can make it work if you study, if not, go play a broken record. Art should be fun no matter if your playing a record or scratching an MP3 if you get my drift. Have fun! and read my first sentence in this post.
They could if they wanted. They just wouldn't have PAs to sell you things. PAs sell their products through DAZ, they are not employees.
Yeah, that's the point.
A poser compatible filter (I guess in the artist dropdown?) would be very useful.... but then you get into what version of poser it is compatible for.
Also would be great if DAZ did release Victoria 6 and Michael 6 for poser.... they wouldn't have to release all the other 50 or so characters that they have for DAZ Studio but something new for native poser would be great.
They could if they wanted. They just wouldn't have PAs to sell you things. PAs sell their products through DAZ, they are not employees.
Yeah, that's the point.
The thing is that DAZ never said they were abandoning Poser like you quoted, and they have left the door open for Smith Micro if they wanted to implement the tech within Poser. However, there will things that won't work in either program, and as DAZ pretty much relies on PAs for their content to sell, they don't force PAs into making things to work in all apps. The reasons for PAs not doing so have already mentioned many time so it's not necessary to get into again. DAZ has however offered buyout content from PAs that works in Poser except for a few exceptions (like Lilith's addons because they use geoshell technology which isn't available in Poser), so they pretty much kept their word on supporting Poser where they can. However, they can't speak for the PAs.
For some....as long as Daz3d content remains an obj - MMD, alembic (ABC) exportable form it can be used in a lot of other programs. I just don't want a forced filter stuck on me... ;)
Well, I'd really like an easier way to find stuff that is *not* Daz Studio only, so if anybody has any ideas how to do that now that the site's been changed, I'm all ears. :-)
That is the whole problem with the new 4.6+ format; there is no stand alone OBJ file any more.
McG.
That isn't new with the .duf format, DS native content didn't use .obj files from the beginning.
Well Mr Grandpa, I think we can safely say Poser is no longer going to be supported by DAZ and maybe Carrara too, I too am saddened but it is their business choice and must be working,
I am using the sales opportunities to buy as much old stuff as I can before it is encrypted too.
I'm not entirely sure you can claim that Daz has dropped Poser support seeing that less than two days ago this product released:
http://www.daz3d.com/wolf-2-0-for-poser-by-am
Yes, it did. And there are still TONS of .OBJ files throughout my entire runtimes from DAZ products, including every human Figure through Gen 4 at the very least. Yes, OBJ's. Do you not recall directing people to the folder where the .obj DS was looking for actually IS? Try here: %%\Runtime\Geometries\DAZPeople\blMilWom_v4b.obj. There were a lot of instances of this particular one. However, the issue is that DAZ is now using a format unreadable by every other program, including its own programs that don't have an updated module for it. And now we see the circle being fully closed with encrypted content. That is the end of everyone that isn't using the newest DS. Worse, it is the end of everyone that ever bought anything from DAZ that isn't using the newest DS. Where to now?
Look, as long as DAZ was "open" the whole world was great. DAZ amassed an amazing fortune selling used electrons to all of us, yep. Did indeed. Where now? DAZ is as tight as the .MAX format. ???
The DSON format (which uses .duf) has never used objs as the mesh data was contained in dsf files which are called from .duf files. The first genesis before the DSON format stored mesh data in .dsf files, not obj. Obj files in Gen 4 were Poser format; the \Runtime\Geometries\DAZPeople\blMilWom_v4b.obj is poser format, not DAZ. Object data for the native daz files are stored in the data directory. Moving away from Poser format has allowed for things such as genesis, multiple uvs, HD, geografting, geometry shells, etc.
I'm usally just watching, but, it does seem that Daz is going in the direction of closing itself off from Poser. I'm sure not going to upgrade to 4.9 with 4.8 being the last easy route I still have back to Poser. But, my reasons also include all these reasons also. When Studio 4.0 was released I was hoping for alot more in making my own Dynamic Clothes, Dynamic Hair, and (after others in "the circle" were able to) use Subdivided morphs. Now with 4.8 I am sure I can still go back to Poser which I started in the first place 12 or 13 years ago Even with Genesis Shapes I've made on their figures using Daz and clones and Zbrush as a stepping stone. I didn't buy the new Poser just yet (I think its Poser Pro 11 that will allow me to do what studio refuses to let me do with the subdivided morphs, but I know MY current version Does the dynamic hair and clothes and I'm just waiting to see what Daz does knowing that the competition is keeping up with them. It would be funny if they "go to far" and I'm sure they can make up for it with new users. But for me and this is only an opinion, I don't really care what they do anymore. I'm still here and I can make things work with them or with out them and their DRM. I can still do what I want with their old stuff and I thank them for letting me use their little utility Daz Studio.
How far down the page of new stuff do I usally have to go to see something for Poser or Daz if I was a normal user....lol. And how far down the page do I have to go in reality...I can use anything they have in any software I choose to be honest.
Media HD's are only for the elite people that sell at this store remember not for the creator who wants to make them.
I am not a content creator, though a dozen years ago when I stumbled upon DAZ3D, I wanted to do just that. Instead, I found a free program, DAZ Studio. Then I found the free content here. Now in those times, DAZ was linked to Content Paradise and Renderosity. Or was it that CP was linked to DAZ and Rendo and RDNA? Whichever, they all had CP items. It was the link from here to CP I discovered Renderosity, RDNA, Sixus1 and so on. Then S-M scooped up CP and the whole wide 'verse of this little acre inthe realm of 3D was smacked hard upside the head. Yeah money drives it all. No free lunch. I have made a few friends in our little acre. I am glad of that. More than anything else, I feel enriched from knowing you folks. I best be careful or this will turn into a real soliloquy! I have ended up with far more than the 2140 items that the "SHOP" - Front Page indicates. There is also all the free content. Not so much, at less than 2500 items total here. There are also the other stores, both bought and free content. So, this shows I have spent more than a decade playing with stuff other people have made. And I have enjoyed it very much. I have also purchased tools I can use to create content. Right here from DAZ3D's store I purchased a cool combo, MODO and Poser Pro. I learned from the DAZ Promos that Victoria 4 had been modeled in MODO 201, and that one fact made MODO so very attractive I drooled over it. I had also found my way to Vue 6 Infinite, ZBrush, Adobe CS4Extended. So I can DO the stuff, I just haven't. Yet. Some things in Life got in the way, bogged me down and damn near killed me. I made it through that, came out the other side and am still shuffling right along! I don't like the new toy we have had placed before us, even if it is FREE!. It comes with a hot sticky morphing mess that promises huge trouble for sure. I still have a ton of old content in executables that I WANT to get re-downloaded in the current zips. They are much easier for me to work with, and faster by far, than the old executables. I hope I get that completed before the hatchet finishes its final stroke. DRM/Encryption.
OK Though I started this discussion, I am out of it now. To any moderating admin; Please CLOSE this thread.
I have no complaints here. I am a very longtime Poser user, but they've simply dropped the ball. You really can't blame DAZ for pushing the technology, and building a business around protecting artists from piracy.
Software changes, and Smith Design simply hasn't been willing/able to invest in their technology; there ain't much to like with their own brand "Pauline". Its not like they didn't have any warning-- Daz has been iterating Daz Studio, which started out pretty lamentable-- for a decade or so. Now its pretty darn good. Asleep at the switch for the better part of ten years, and you lose.
By far the most significant improvements in Poser came from 3d parties, like Paolo Ciccone's "Reality" . . . Smith could have done something like that, but only now do they come, very late in the day, with support for Blender's Cycles renderer (why?).