Daz3D 4.7 slower than 4.6?
Passero
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So I just bought a new laptop which is an upgrade from my old laptop. Much better CPU, more RAM, better GPU.
When I got the laptop I installed 4.7 and downloaded all my assets again.
I notice that it is so much slower than 4.6. Every time I add a figure like Genesis 2 or Victoria 6 it seems to take longer to load the resources than it did on 4.6. The same for scenes.
Even when I add something from the wardrobe it takes longer.
I am just wondering what is causing this. I notice that when he loads the resource my disk usage goes up to 40% so I assume he is reading from disk.
I find it somewhat annoying that I have to wait so long everything I add something to the scene. It can easily take up to 10 seconds. Even when I apply a material to a piece of clothing.
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Is it that the progress bar stays for longer, or is it that it takes longer for the item to appear in the scene? If the latter it may be down to your interface settings - in particular, turning Edit>Preferences>Interface>Per Pixel Shading on can add a noticeable delay to the display of items in the viewport. Compare your settings between 4.6 on the old system and 4.7 on the new.
I was just about to add a new topic on this exact same thing. Daz 4.7 runs a lot slower, and frequent stalls. The GUI interface seems to have to catch up when navigating around from different screens. It is very annoying, I have this running on I7 16GB memory. I think the software should be smooth and ease of use when navigating. Is there a way to go back to 4.6 until all the bugs are worked out?
What video cards do you have? I don't see stalling, and I wasn't aware of a significant speed drop compared to 4.6. I have an nVidia 450GTS
My new laptop has a GTX 880 while my old laptop had a GT 750.
I noticed I had to configure Daz3D to use my high end card in the Nvidia control panel. Otherwise it would use the integrated. But even after that I still feel it is slower. Especially when it comes to loading the resources. Handling everything in the viewport is just fine but adding stuff to the scene is really slower.
I have a desktop with windows 8.1 and 32gig of ram an i7 3ghz 6 core and nvidia 640gt all drivers and patches are up to date. I also made the mistake of updating to Daz Studio 4.7 64bit which is too buggy to be a release. On my system it freezes doing simple things like moving a one character around a scene with no lights or scenery! So it is not your new laptop it is the software. So the answer to your question is YES 4.7 is slower than 4.6! I wish daz would let us just redownload 4.6 and take 4.7 off and make it beta till the bugs are fixed.
Yes it is not a matter of the graphics card. This is a software related issue, 4.7 is slow, and often stalls it is very annoying. My graphics card has all the latest drivers installed Nvida 550ti. Again this is a software related issue, there needs to be bugs worked out, it seems like it was rushed to be pushed out. Not sure why, maybe due to the new EULA agreement. But I worked in the software industry for a long time and I can tell you this is a Software related issue.
Just curious how many of you who are experiencing slow DS 4.7 have Reality 4 installed. I've been using 4.7 for quite some time now and did not have the slowdown until I installed the plugin. As soon as I deleted the plugin, DAZ Studio went back to normal. Others have mentioned the same issue, and I don't know for a fact that it is the cause, but for me uninstalling the plugin did the trick. As soon as it is addressed, I will happily reinstall. I paid full price for Reality 2.5 directly from the site, and rather than upgrade there, I paid full price again here at DAZ so I would have it available in my Product Library. I want to clarify that I am only sharing my own experience, not trying to say anything negative about Reality 4.0
You may have a point, I have Reality plug-in 2.5, and then upgraded to 4. I have not used 4.7 without these plug-in. It could be a possibility.
I also have reality 4 but I noticed the same problems before I installed any reality plugin.
So in the beginning I just had the default renderer and I immediately noticed the slowness of resource loading and adding assets to a scene.
I will give it a go and remove the reality plugin, just to be on the save side.
I will try to do some benchmarking by adding the same objects in 4.7 with and without reality and see if there is any difference.
I will also test the same scene on my older laptop with 4.6 so we have some proper comparison.
I know it doesn't help you but it doesn't seem to be some are having issues whilst other are not. Since 4.7 came out I have been put it through some heavy testing and I have not yet had any issues at all. Yes I will have a slow down when using IPR but that is to be expected but the slow down isn't that bad I can still change things whilst IPR is rendering. And for the record I don't own Reality but I have seen other posts in other thread saying the same thing about Reality slowing things down.
Curious what hardware and type of os are you using? For example intel amd cpu, 16 gig of ram, nvidia video card type and windows 7 32 or 64bit & daz studio 32 or 64bit. I'm just curious.
I7 3770 3.4 GHZ, WIN 7 (64 bit), 8 GB Ram, GT 610 I GB. But I have the OS on the main 1TB HDD and everything else on a second slave internal 1 TB HDD. Since doing that my system has increased speed and responsiveness.
I didn't have any of your problems with DS4.7 being slower to load/move around things/anything ...
Graphics card: GIGABYTE GV-N560448-13I (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448, 1280 MB)
CPU: Intel Core i7-2700K (3500 MHz, 2x4 cores)
CPU Cooler: Alpenföhn Himalaya
RAM: G.Skill DIMM 32 GB DDR3-1333 Quad-Kit (F3-1333C9Q-32GAO, Ares-Serie)
Power supply: Corsair CMPSU-750AX
Mainboard: Asrock Fatal1ty P67 Performance
Case: Fractal Design Arc
DVD burner: Pioneer DVR-219LBK
Harddrive C: Corsair ForceGT 2,5" SSD 180 GB
Harddrive D: Samsung HD103SJ 1 TB (Spinpoint F3)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit German
NO Reality
OT Nice system Kerya
those of you with 4.7 and Reality4, it's likely R4 causing a slowdown in your pipeline.
Paolo was working on a fix last night. You may want to check the RDNA forums for the status of the repair but I'm getting it too.
All that aside I think 4.7 was a tad slower than 4.6 before I installed R4, and my GPU drivers are up-to-date
One of the biggest factors in DS slowing down with or without any 3rd party tools is enabling the invisible parameters to be shown.
My system:
Asus G750 JZ (i7-4860HQ, 24GB RAM, GTX 880, 256GB SSD with W8.1 and 1.5TB HDD)
Here's some details about adding stuff. I started with an empty scene:
1) Adding Genesis 2 base female: 18 seconds
2) Applying Stella HD skin material: 38 seconds!!!! All the time the "Reading asset" box was displayed
3) Adding Classic Deco Eclectic 1 scene which isn't that complex: 35 seconds!
During the loading of assets the title bar often gets (not responding) in it which will disappear when the asset is loaded properly.
I will retry the same with Reality 4 uninstalled. Can I simply disable the plugin or do I really need to uninstall it?
move the R4 plugin to another folder
I made a folder called "disabled" and popped it in there and it stopped it from loading. I can pop it back in if I need it but watch for the update and see if it solves it.
Thanks. Here are the numbers for Daz without Reality 4:
1) Adding Genesis 2 to empty scene: 5s
2) Applying material: 9s
3) Adding Classic Deco to scene: 5s
I think it's clear :)
I'll wait for the update.
Thanks for the update, I will look for the fix at RDNA. I hope that will take care of it
I have a two drives 7200 rpm seagates and my primary drive is 2 gigs and my secondary is 4 gigs and it looks like I may need to do what you suggest move all my content to my secondary drive.
I too loaded Reality 4 last week and it has brought Daz 4.7 64 bit to it's knees as to load times. It is super slow to load any character or prop or wardrobe. It renders fine but it can take over a couple of minutes to load a character it's maddening.
I also have Daz 4.5 32 bit on my system so checked load times there and they where normal (Fast) so it's not a hardware issue it's a software issue. Another thing is that a few products will no longer load or show in the products in the Content Tab but show and load in 4.5 so there are lot's of issues with 4.7. I am sorry I upgraded as I was very happy with 4.6.
Plus 4.7 crashes to often.
Uhm ... as people get a faster DS4.7 when uninstalling Reality4 ... I don't think it is DazStudio's fault ...
Slow or not it's still buggy. It's crashed 5 times on me, changed my interface on reboot and corrupted one of my files. I had no problems with any of the previous versions.
To be honest, I don't have any issues with Daz 4.7 if the reality plugin is disabled.
I have had no crashed (even with the R4 plugin).
I am sorry if I sounded strange/harsh - I had no time to write more ...
I didn't have any crashes at all *knocks 3 times on wood*
Trying to find solutions ...
So let's see:
When does it crash? During a repeatable process?
Did you try to disable R4 and see whether it still crashes?
Crashes seem random. I'll try disabling Reality. What changed in 4.7 that Reality is conflicting with?
As far as I can make out it is Reality 4 that has a problem (sorry - not bashing Reality, just reading the forums).
Which folder do I need to remove to stop Reality from loading? I renamed the Reality folder in plugins but it still loads, I got it. Renaming isn't good enough. I had to remove the folder from the directory.
Stealing the message from StratDragon: (I hope he/she doesn't mind)
move the R4 plugin to another folder
I made a folder called “disabled” and popped it in there and it stopped it from loading. I can pop it back in if I need it but watch for the update and see if it solves it.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/49727/P15/#728693
Paolo is aware of this slowness issue and is working on it. There is a build that has been sent to the beta testers once the testing is complete a new build will be released.