Kota Poses do not work on G8

vonHobo

I purchased this set of poses because it says in the description it is compatible with G8 and G8.1

https://www.daz3d.com/z-music-idol-poses-and-expressions-for-kota-81

The poses don't work on G8... see below

2021-06-10 00:42:09.823 Invalid hierarchy for selected node(s) and "preset_hierarchical_pose" type; no root(s) found.
2021-06-10 00:42:09.823 Error reading file, see log for more details.

Should I return this product?

I don't use G8.1

 

nemesis10

Have you tried setting the compatability to 8? I looked at it is set to 8; the expressions won't work sin 8.1 and 8 jaws are different.  Looking at the description, I think that is was planned to work only in 8.1 though/

Leana

Hierarchical poses only work on the figure they were made for. Is there maybe a G8 and a G8.1 version of the poses?

Ghosty12

Another thing to try is to pose Genesis 8.1 and then resave the pose, and it should then allow usage on 8.0..

cridgit

Redacted

maikdecker

cridgit said:

You n me both. https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/500541/hatin-on-hierarchical-poses

 

+1, but not only poses because outfits sets setup as hierarchical are also just additional work for the user, to adapt them to the quite same generation of figures (here: G8.1 stuff to G8 figures..) which is just one more reason for me to abstain getting G8.1 figures and as little as possible other stuff for G8.1

vonHobo

Leana said:

Hierarchical poses only work on the figure they were made for. Is there maybe a G8 and a G8.1 version of the poses?

there isn't.

Just 8.1 version of each pose.

I will return it since I don't use 8.1

 

vonHobo

maikdecker said:

cridgit said:

You n me both. https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/500541/hatin-on-hierarchical-poses

 

+1, but not only poses because outfits sets setup as hierarchical are also just additional work for the user, to adapt them to the quite same generation of figures (here: G8.1 stuff to G8 figures..) which is just one more reason for me to abstain getting G8.1 figures and as little as possible other stuff for G8.1

I agree with you.

There are so many products with G3/G8 poses. So for products to be just 8.1 at release? I understand it means work. But if you don't put in the work it means people like me do not purchase. 

8 to 8.1 should not have had so much incompatability. 8 to perhaps 9 yes. It's a new gen. But for 8.1 to be not such a huge leap (details, etc.) and yet destroy compatiblity with poses and expressions is really dissapointing. 

 

Ghosty12

von Hobo said:

maikdecker said:

cridgit said:

You n me both. https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/500541/hatin-on-hierarchical-poses

 

+1, but not only poses because outfits sets setup as hierarchical are also just additional work for the user, to adapt them to the quite same generation of figures (here: G8.1 stuff to G8 figures..) which is just one more reason for me to abstain getting G8.1 figures and as little as possible other stuff for G8.1

I agree with you.

There are so many products with G3/G8 poses. So for products to be just 8.1 at release? I understand it means work. But if you don't put in the work it means people like me do not purchase. 

8 to 8.1 should not have had so much incompatability. 8 to perhaps 9 yes. It's a new gen. But for 8.1 to be not such a huge leap (details, etc.) and yet destroy compatiblity with poses and expressions is really dissapointing. 

 

I have found that 8.1 hierarchical poses work fine with Genesis 8 but there is one small catch, that catch is having to go through each pose and resaving them with the standard pose preset option..

FSMCDesigns

Ghosty12 said:

I have found that 8.1 hierarchical poses work fine with Genesis 8 but there is one small catch, that catch is having to go through each pose and resaving them with the standard pose preset option..

That doesn't mean they work as a product, just that the saved preset works. Either PAs need to stop using hierarchical anything (why??), or DAZ needs to stop adding genesis 8.1 compatibility to everything in the store without checking it first.

vonHobo

FSMCDesigns said:

Ghosty12 said:

I have found that 8.1 hierarchical poses work fine with Genesis 8 but there is one small catch, that catch is having to go through each pose and resaving them with the standard pose preset option..

That doesn't mean they work as a product, just that the saved preset works. Either PAs need to stop using hierarchical anything (why??), or DAZ needs to stop adding genesis 8.1 compatibility to everything in the store without checking it first.

Yes. Or adding G8 compatiblity when it doesn't have poses for G8. I've given up with new products. There was greater compatibility between G3 and G8 than there is between G8 and G8.1. 

vonHobo

maikdecker said:

cridgit said:

You n me both. https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/500541/hatin-on-hierarchical-poses

 

+1, but not only poses because outfits sets setup as hierarchical are also just additional work for the user, to adapt them to the quite same generation of figures (here: G8.1 stuff to G8 figures..) which is just one more reason for me to abstain getting G8.1 figures and as little as possible other stuff for G8.1

I'm right there with you on that. I've looked at G8.1 and compared it to G8 and I don't see an overwhelming reason to upgrade, especially since there is not a lot of content for G8.1 and nothing from G8 works with G8.1 for the most part. No poses, no expressions. Maybe hair and clothing? But for me poses are what makes everything believable ... and it's frustrating. So I will stick to G8. 

AHArt

All of my G8 pose pack work fine with 8.1 except for expressions. This particular one though i believe has to use hierarchical poses because of the tail. Zeddicus poses usually do not have any issues with working correctly. I do believe that this should have been meant for only 8.1 according to the description so if you refund I would def let Daz know to remove the compatble with G8 from the product. 

vonHobo

AHutchins Art said:

All of my G8 pose pack work fine with 8.1 except for expressions. This particular one though i believe has to use hierarchical poses because of the tail. Zeddicus poses usually do not have any issues with working correctly. I do believe that this should have been meant for only 8.1 according to the description so if you refund I would def let Daz know to remove the compatble with G8 from the product. 

Thank you. I let them know when I requested a refund. Which I received already. 

Ghosty12

FSMCDesigns said:

Ghosty12 said:

I have found that 8.1 hierarchical poses work fine with Genesis 8 but there is one small catch, that catch is having to go through each pose and resaving them with the standard pose preset option..

That doesn't mean they work as a product, just that the saved preset works. Either PAs need to stop using hierarchical anything (why??), or DAZ needs to stop adding genesis 8.1 compatibility to everything in the store without checking it first.

I agree with that, but just letting folks know that if they have a way to use them if they are really wanting too.. I had the issue with a clothing item that had hierarchical elements in it, talk about a pain in the butt.. And well after reading up what hierarchical poses do, and even though a pain in the butt to have, I can understand why they are being used.. But what I can't work out is how if that both Genesis 8 and 8.1 are identical in joint and bone structure, just different in the facial structure why do hierarchical poses not work..

Sera

The expressions can be fixed easily. https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/477386/how-to-get-genesis-8-expressions-working-on-genesis-8-1/p1

PerttiA

Ghosty12 said:

I agree with that, but just letting folks know that if they have a way to use them if they are really wanting too.. I had the issue with a clothing item that had hierarchical elements in it, talk about a pain in the butt.. And well after reading up what hierarchical poses do, and even though a pain in the butt to have, I can understand why they are being used.. But what I can't work out is how if that both Genesis 8 and 8.1 are identical in joint and bone structure, just different in the facial structure why do hierarchical poses not work..

No, the facial structure is also same.

Why hierarcial poses/materials don't work, is because the difference in character name (Genesis 8 vs Genesis 8.1) 

Richard Haseltine

PerttiA said:

Ghosty12 said:

I agree with that, but just letting folks know that if they have a way to use them if they are really wanting too.. I had the issue with a clothing item that had hierarchical elements in it, talk about a pain in the butt.. And well after reading up what hierarchical poses do, and even though a pain in the butt to have, I can understand why they are being used.. But what I can't work out is how if that both Genesis 8 and 8.1 are identical in joint and bone structure, just different in the facial structure why do hierarchical poses not work..

No, the facial structure is also same.

Why hierarcial poses/materials don't work, is because the difference in character name (Genesis 8 vs Genesis 8.1) 

Right, DS knows to treat Genesis 8 as an equivalent to Genesis 8.1 when applying content to 8.1 but not vice-versa.

cridgit

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Richard Haseltine

cridgit said:

This hierarchical poses fiasco is getting as bad as the infamous DAZ website Magento upgrade some years ago, for those of you who remember it. I still have to cuss in my coffee when I think back to it.

Except that it isn't something doing what it shouldn't. Ideally Genesis 8-compatible poses would be saved from Genesis 8 rather than 8.1 (though in this case Kota is an 8.1 figure) butt hat doesn't mean it's an error when they are not.

Ghosty12

PerttiA said:

Ghosty12 said:

I agree with that, but just letting folks know that if they have a way to use them if they are really wanting too.. I had the issue with a clothing item that had hierarchical elements in it, talk about a pain in the butt.. And well after reading up what hierarchical poses do, and even though a pain in the butt to have, I can understand why they are being used.. But what I can't work out is how if that both Genesis 8 and 8.1 are identical in joint and bone structure, just different in the facial structure why do hierarchical poses not work..

No, the facial structure is also same.

Why hierarcial poses/materials don't work, is because the difference in character name (Genesis 8 vs Genesis 8.1) 

Ahh k, I thought that the facial structure was slightly different with 8.1..  But I do understand the rest as have run into that problem of hierarchical material settings..