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I have two computers. My partner wants to play around with Daz, is this allowed?

ShortlegDoggoShortlegDoggo Posts: 117
edited July 2021 in The Commons

I have two desktop computers that I use side by side. My partner would like to play around with Daz. I use Daz pretty often though so I'm not sure if we can both be logged in at the same time. Is this allowed? I can see the computers that have Daz on them have to be owned by you, and they are both mine, but the "and controlled by you" part is confusing me and making me wonder if this is okay. It sounds like it isn't, but I've seen other threads where people ask about sharing their single computer with family and that doesn't seem to be an issue, so I just wanted to double check. I would be helping my partner use it, too, as they would be sitting next to me.

Thanks!

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  • AHArtAHArt Posts: 202

    I don't see why not, I have run two at the same time

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066
    edited July 2021

    I don't think you are technically allowed to share content... I think I read that in a discussion once, so technically they'd have to buy their own stuff... (I think the discussion had to do with "can you inherit content?")... seems kinda weird when it's family or a significant other, but whatever, so far nobody here cares to try, so for me that's not an issue.

    I don't think that restriction applies to the actual software (DAZ Studio) though, as opposed to the figures, clothing, hair etc...

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  • butterflyfishbutterflyfish Posts: 1,270

    You always used to be allowed to share content with people in your household. Has that changed?

  • ShortlegDoggoShortlegDoggo Posts: 117
    edited July 2021

    Thanks for the responses. I'm reading some older threads and it does look like you could share content with your household, especially if you do own the computers, in the past? I'm not sure how my partner would use their own content on my computer... seems like it would cause problems.

    I've tried to move my content to an external hard drive and failed abysmally at that, so having two separate accounts with separate content on one computer seems, uh, difficult. cheeky

    Post edited by ShortlegDoggo on
  • FenixPhoenixFenixPhoenix Posts: 3,118
    Technically speaking, when you acquire the assets your actually buying a license for your own use. So you can install it on several computers but only you have a "license" to use the content. It's less of an issue if it's personal use (doing renders/animations for your own use). It gets trickier (legally speaking) if you were to share your library and have the other party (who did not purchase the content) do commissions (make money) using that unlicensed (for him) content.
  • rcourtri_789f4b1c6brcourtri_789f4b1c6b Posts: 264

    Two computers owned by the same person being used by two members of the same household?  It's fine, as long as both computers use the same Daz account.

    Legal no-nos: 

    1. If your partner takes ownership of one of the computers on a long-term or permanent basis, or they buy their own computer and install Daz Studio on it, they must get their own account with its own content.

    2. You can't sell or give content away.  This includes family members, friends, co-workers, people who look like you, strangers--anybody.  Remember, you are a licensee of the content.  Your copies only exist for purposes of you exercising your licenses.  

    3. Similarly, software licenses aren't inheritable.  When I die, my family doesn't get to play my Steam games or use my copy of Microsoft Word, nor can they use my Henrietta Heart Hen to create a masterpiece.  It's standard for the industry and US law. If this concerns you, I'd contact Daz about a name change on the account in case of your demise.  

     

     

  • ShortlegDoggoShortlegDoggo Posts: 117

    FenixPhoenix said:

    Technically speaking, when you acquire the assets your actually buying a license for your own use. So you can install it on several computers but only you have a "license" to use the content. It's less of an issue if it's personal use (doing renders/animations for your own use). It gets trickier (legally speaking) if you were to share your library and have the other party (who did not purchase the content) do commissions (make money) using that unlicensed (for him) content.

    Thanks! My partner would definitely just be playing around with it, with me sitting there. I guess technically I'd be using it too, since we would be doing it together, but I'm worried Daz will see my account being used on two computers and crack down on it or something. (I render almost around the clock on my main computer.)

  • ShortlegDoggoShortlegDoggo Posts: 117

    rcourtri_789f4b1c6b said:

    Two computers owned by the same person being used by two members of the same household?  It's fine, as long as both computers use the same Daz account.

    Legal no-nos: 

    1. If your partner takes ownership of one of the computers on a long-term or permanent basis, or they buy their own computer and install Daz Studio on it, they must get their own account with its own content.

    2. You can't sell or give content away.  This includes family members, friends, co-workers, people who look like you, strangers--anybody.  Remember, you are a licensee of the content.  Your copies only exist for purposes of you exercising your licenses.  

    3. Similarly, software licenses aren't inheritable.  When I die, my family doesn't get to play my Steam games or use my copy of Microsoft Word, nor can they use my Henrietta Heart Hen to create a masterpiece.  It's standard for the industry and US law. If this concerns you, I'd contact Daz about a name change on the account in case of your demise.  

    Thank you, that's all very good to know!

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,583

    I am constantly using two PC's on the same network and often sending files between them, even temporarily added my largely duplicated  library on my Win7 to my Win10 over my WIFI yesterday because I had an old asset not in DIM on it.

    I render on both etc at once often bits of the same scene.

    Only thing is I found you can only download on DIM on one at a time.

    I can only have Poser11 on one though (put Poser7 back on the other one) because it phones home.

    Hitfilm too can only run on one.

    DAZ studio I have about 6 builds between the 2 rigs. and have used several at once on both ( mostly just moving stuff between scenes not rendering)

    same household is the EULA requirement as in same home address

  • butterflyfishbutterflyfish Posts: 1,270

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I am constantly using two PC's on the same network and often sending files between them, even temporarily added my largely duplicated  library on my Win7 to my Win10 over my WIFI yesterday because I had an old asset not in DIM on it.

    I render on both etc at once often bits of the same scene.

    Only thing is I found you can only download on DIM on one at a time.

    I can only have Poser11 on one though (put Poser7 back on the other one) because it phones home.

    Hitfilm too can only run on one.

    DAZ studio I have about 6 builds between the 2 rigs. and have used several at once on both ( mostly just moving stuff between scenes not rendering)

    same household is the EULA requirement as in same home address

    Yes, that was always the rule in the past.

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,401

    Well I would seriously consider NOT letting both computer online at the same time 'cause that dear ol' DIM or whatever would probably have a confusion seisure!

  • SeraSera Posts: 1,675
    On a somewhat off topic note, logging into your account with the Daz software can lead to issues sometimes. If you use DIM (which is reliable and doesn't install things without permission), you don't even need to. Logging in will cause Daz to do various things and you may end up with missing icons in smart content or things reinstalled that you may have purposely deleted (like the 8.1 dummy expression files).
  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979
    edited July 2021

    Catherine3678ab said:

    Well I would seriously consider NOT letting both computer online at the same time 'cause that dear ol' DIM or whatever would probably have a confusion seisure!

    DIM is prepared for this, if you start a second instance on another PC the first one will just disconnect with an error message and go into offline mode.


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  • meganappstatemeganappstate Posts: 85

    rcourtri_789f4b1c6b said:

    Legal no-nos: 

    3. Similarly, software licenses aren't inheritable.  When I die, my family doesn't get to play my Steam games or use my copy of Microsoft Word, nor can they use my Henrietta Heart Hen to create a masterpiece.  It's standard for the industry and US law. If this concerns you, I'd contact Daz about a name change on the account in case of your demise.  

    Not entirely true: a software license can be transferred to a new entity, provided that the original license allows for such transfer, e.g., the MS Home & Business 2019 and later states:

    3.    Transfer to a Third Party. The provisions of this section do not apply if you acquired the software in the European Economic Area (EEA) and only transfer it to another person or entity within the EEA, in which case any transfer of the software and the right to use it must comply with applicable law.

     

    a.Software preinstalled on device. If you acquired the software preinstalled on a device, you may transfer the software directly to another user, only with the licensed device. The transfer must include the software and, if provided with the device, an authentic Office label including the product key. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software.

     

    b.Stand-alone software acquired from a retailer.If you acquired the software from a retailer as stand-alone software, you may transfer the software to another device that belongs to you, but not more than one time every 90 days (except due to hardware failure, in which case you may transfer sooner). If you transfer the software to another device, that other device becomes the “licensed device.” You may also transfer the software to a device owned by someone else if (i) you are the first licensed user of the software and (ii) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. Every time you transfer the software to a new device, you must remove the software from the prior device. You may not transfer the software to share licenses between devices.

    Bottom line: check the software license.

  • rcourtri_789f4b1c6brcourtri_789f4b1c6b Posts: 264

    meganappstate said: 

    Not entirely true: a software license can be transferred to a new entity, provided that the original license allows for such transfer, e.g., the MS Home & Business 2019 and later states:

    3.    Transfer to a Third Party. The provisions of this section do not apply if you acquired the software in the European Economic Area (EEA) and only transfer it to another person or entity within the EEA, in which case any transfer of the software and the right to use it must comply with applicable law.

     

    a.Software preinstalled on device. If you acquired the software preinstalled on a device, you may transfer the software directly to another user, only with the licensed device. The transfer must include the software and, if provided with the device, an authentic Office label including the product key. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software.

     

    b.Stand-alone software acquired from a retailer.If you acquired the software from a retailer as stand-alone software, you may transfer the software to another device that belongs to you, but not more than one time every 90 days (except due to hardware failure, in which case you may transfer sooner). If you transfer the software to another device, that other device becomes the “licensed device.” You may also transfer the software to a device owned by someone else if (i) you are the first licensed user of the software and (ii) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. Every time you transfer the software to a new device, you must remove the software from the prior device. You may not transfer the software to share licenses between devices.

    Bottom line: check the software license.

    Daz Users should definitely familiarize themselves with the TOS and EULA.  

    mweganappstate, the EEA has some minor weirdness when it comes to IP law, as seen in that MS EULA.   

    I don't think Das Studio or content comes pre-installed on any devices when the first retail sale happens (Provision 3(a)). 

    Daz content isn't stand-alone software, so nothing like 3(b) comes into play either.  

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    LongRedDog said:

    I have two desktop computers that I use side by side. My partner would like to play around with Daz. I use Daz pretty often though so I'm not sure if we can both be logged in at the same time. Is this allowed? I can see the computers that have Daz on them have to be owned by you, and they are both mine, but the "and controlled by you" part is confusing me and making me wonder if this is okay. It sounds like it isn't, but I've seen other threads where people ask about sharing their single computer with family and that doesn't seem to be an issue, so I just wanted to double check. I would be helping my partner use it, too, as they would be sitting next to me.

    Thanks!

    Ask Daz what is allowed.

    Send them a ticket.

    Us arm chair lawyers are clueless to various degrees.

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 2,042

    LongRedDog said:

    I have two desktop computers that I use side by side. My partner would like to play around with Daz. I use Daz pretty often though so I'm not sure if we can both be logged in at the same time. Is this allowed? I can see the computers that have Daz on them have to be owned by you, and they are both mine, but the "and controlled by you" part is confusing me and making me wonder if this is okay. It sounds like it isn't, but I've seen other threads where people ask about sharing their single computer with family and that doesn't seem to be an issue, so I just wanted to double check. I would be helping my partner use it, too, as they would be sitting next to me.

    Thanks!

    Untill you don't tell anybody, nobody knows, that someone else is using your DAZ Studio.
    Ooopsy 

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