About Face Bruises Morphs how I add color like the +Lie Applied

foxyfoxfurries

Hello :)

I bought the Face Bruises Morphs and it works but without the colors , How can I make the colors like the Lie Applied?

This the DAZ site of this Face Bruises Morphs

Face Bruises Morphs for Genesis 3 & 8 Female(s) | Daz 3D

Thanks!!!! ^^

margrave

The clue is in the name. Those are morphs, which complement a separate product, the LIE Face Bruises, as it says in the description.

Gordig

I just noticed that the PAs asked a question of the Daz team that was inadvertently left on the product page under details.

FenixPhoenix

foxyfoxfurries said:

Hello :)

I bought the Face Bruises Morphs and it works but without the colors , How can I make the colors like the Lie Applied?

This the DAZ site of this Face Bruises Morphs

Face Bruises Morphs for Genesis 3 & 8 Female(s) | Daz 3D

Thanks!!!! ^^

Hi, thank you for purchasing our product. As @margrave mentioned, this is an add-on that was later released to compliment "LIE Face Bruises for Genesis 3 & 8" which contains the actual bruise texture for both males and females.

FenixPhoenix

Gordig said:

I just noticed that the PAs asked a question of the Daz team that was inadvertently left on the product page under details.

Hahaha, I just noticed that too after you mentioned it. I never did get a reply to that so I'm not sure if people who had the Face Bruises at the time the morphs launched got the extra discount or not.

foxyfoxfurries

FenixPhoenix said:

foxyfoxfurries said:

Hello :)

I bought the Face Bruises Morphs and it works but without the colors , How can I make the colors like the Lie Applied?

This the DAZ site of this Face Bruises Morphs

Face Bruises Morphs for Genesis 3 & 8 Female(s) | Daz 3D

Thanks!!!! ^^

Hi, thank you for purchasing our product. As @margrave mentioned, this is an add-on that was later released to compliment "LIE Face Bruises for Genesis 3 & 8" which contains the actual bruise texture for both males and females.

Ok thank you so much!!!! I don't think I have this , I will buy it soon.

foxyfoxfurries

FenixPhoenix said:

foxyfoxfurries said:

Hello :)

I bought the Face Bruises Morphs and it works but without the colors , How can I make the colors like the Lie Applied?

This the DAZ site of this Face Bruises Morphs

Face Bruises Morphs for Genesis 3 & 8 Female(s) | Daz 3D

Thanks!!!! ^^

Hi, thank you for purchasing our product. As @margrave mentioned, this is an add-on that was later released to compliment "LIE Face Bruises for Genesis 3 & 8" which contains the actual bruise texture for both males and females.

I try to test it on my model how can I make the color more stronger , as you see before the rendering it looks very good , after the rendering not see the injuries so well. Thank you (2pictures) 

FenixPhoenix

If you want to increase the intensity of the bruises, you can apply the LIE one more time to stack them. Alternatively, you can apply the version for Dark Skin to your character, since that one will be a bit more intense than the version for light skin :).

foxyfoxfurries

FenixPhoenix said:

If you want to increase the intensity of the bruises, you can apply the LIE one more time to stack them. Alternatively, you can apply the version for Dark Skin to your character, since that one will be a bit more intense than the version for light skin :).

Yes I try it but for some reason its still not so noticable in this model , but I try on other models and its work very well!
Maybe because I change her skin to 70% because if her skin 0% like she was she so PALE lol xD
But LOVE THIS STUFF SO MUCH! Hope I will succsess to put it on my main character to , for now the color not so strong but I will try what you say to put more and more even 7 times if need! hehe =D 

FenixPhoenix

foxyfoxfurries said:

FenixPhoenix said:

If you want to increase the intensity of the bruises, you can apply the LIE one more time to stack them. Alternatively, you can apply the version for Dark Skin to your character, since that one will be a bit more intense than the version for light skin :).

Yes I try it but for some reason its still not so noticable in this model , but I try on other models and its work very well!
Maybe because I change her skin to 70% because if her skin 0% like she was she so PALE lol xD
But LOVE THIS STUFF SO MUCH! Hope I will succsess to put it on my main character to , for now the color not so strong but I will try what you say to put more and more even 7 times if need! hehe =D

Ok, it's been a while since we did that product, so I just went to check the files and I remembered this LIE doesn't apply a copy into the translucency channel. So if your character has high translucency values, the bruises will indeed look faded. So what you can do is apply the diffuse channel map created via LIE (for the face and lips surfaces) to the translucency channel (provided the PA built the character using the same map as the diffuse). If the translucency map is different (a lighter version), then you'll want to:

• A) Lower translucency value for all the skin.
• B) Build the bruises in the translucency value via LIE manually. (To do this you would need to open LIE in the diffuse map, check the names and the values of each bruise and then re-build it on the translucency map).

I'm attaching part of the instructions for LIE Face Burns which ran into the same problem if the character had high translucency.

foxyfoxfurries

FenixPhoenix said:

foxyfoxfurries said:

FenixPhoenix said:

If you want to increase the intensity of the bruises, you can apply the LIE one more time to stack them. Alternatively, you can apply the version for Dark Skin to your character, since that one will be a bit more intense than the version for light skin :).

Yes I try it but for some reason its still not so noticable in this model , but I try on other models and its work very well!
Maybe because I change her skin to 70% because if her skin 0% like she was she so PALE lol xD
But LOVE THIS STUFF SO MUCH! Hope I will succsess to put it on my main character to , for now the color not so strong but I will try what you say to put more and more even 7 times if need! hehe =D

Ok, it's been a while since we did that product, so I just went to check the files and I remembered this LIE doesn't apply a copy into the translucency channel. So if your character has high translucency values, the bruises will indeed look faded. So what you can do is apply the diffuse channel map created via LIE (for the face and lips surfaces) to the translucency channel (provided the PA built the character using the same map as the diffuse). If the translucency map is different (a lighter version), then you'll want to:

• A) Lower translucency value for all the skin.
• B) Build the bruises in the translucency value via LIE manually. (To do this you would need to open LIE in the diffuse map, check the names and the values of each bruise and then re-build it on the translucency map).

I'm attaching part of the instructions for LIE Face Burns which ran into the same problem if the character had high translucency.

Thank you very much for this all details! But its mess her all tattoos she got :/
Maybe you have more ideas or stuff to buy who help me with that? 

FenixPhoenix

Are the tattoos baked into the skin? Or are they LIE?

If they are LIE, you can open the Layered Image Editor and move the layer of the tattoo on top of the bruises layers. Or, add the LIE Tattoo after you have added the LIE Bruises.

The other alternative would be for you to copy the diffuse layer (with the LIE) into the "Diffuse Overlay Color" Channel. Then in the "Diffuse Overlay Weight," you would need to create a mask. So make note of the bruises you're using. To do this last, you will need to:

1. Open the Layered Image Editor of the Diffuse Map (click on the map and navigate to the option in the popout menu).
2. Make note of the names of the images in each layer, their opacity and their position (I believe the female version of the bruises have their position tweaked).
3. Now, you will need to navigate to the runtime folder where the bruises are: Runtime > Textures > FenixPhoenix > LIE Bruises Face. Grab a copy of the bruises you are using. You'll need to convert those to a white color, which you can do in any graphics program.
4. Now you'll need to build a mask. Create a black texture that's 4096x4096 pxs. You'll add that black texture to the "Diffuse Overlay Weight". Next, you'll open the Layered Image Editor and build the mask by adding those textures you made white on top of that black texture. To do that, when you open the Layered Image Editor, click on the "+" sign to add a new layer. Then select that layer and browse to where you saved your converted to white textures. Remember to add all the values exactly as the original (position and opacity). Hit accept once you are done.
5. Now you will have an additional layer that would place the bruises on top of everything. You can decrease the Overlay Weight to lower the intensity. Keep in mind that this puts the bruises on top of everything, so they will appear on top of the tattoos as well. OR you can do a mask not for the bruises, but for the tattoo and use the overlay channel to layer them on top of the bruises.

 

FenixPhoenix

Ah, I just thought of another way. So if the tattoos are indeed baked into the skin. Then you could open the layered image editor of the diffuse map and select (one by one) the layers that contain the bruises and change the Blend Mode from "Alpha Channel Blend" to "Multiply". Keep in mind that the tattoos will darken considerably, so you want to use the light version of the tattoos. You will still need to add them to the translucency channel or lower the translucency weight for them to show up, though. But if the tattoos are black, blending the bruises with multiply will ensure they don't show up as though they are sitting/painted "above" the tattoo.

foxyfoxfurries

FenixPhoenix said:

Ah, I just thought of another way. So if the tattoos are indeed baked into the skin. Then you could open the layered image editor of the diffuse map and select (one by one) the layers that contain the bruises and change the Blend Mode from "Alpha Channel Blend" to "Multiply". Keep in mind that the tattoos will darken considerably, so you want to use the light version of the tattoos. You will still need to add them to the translucency channel or lower the translucency weight for them to show up, though. But if the tattoos are black, blending the bruises with multiply will ensure they don't show up as though they are sitting/painted "above" the tattoo.

Thank you very very much for your help! I do it and the tattoos is the same! The problem is the color of the injuries is still fade , only if I change her all skin it looks good but she looks pale again.
Shame don't have something to play with the colors , you have maybe more L.I.E. FACE BRUISES that stronger? I will buy for sure if have 
Your awsome BTW to try help me! :)

foxyfoxfurries

FenixPhoenix said:

Ah, I just thought of another way. So if the tattoos are indeed baked into the skin. Then you could open the layered image editor of the diffuse map and select (one by one) the layers that contain the bruises and change the Blend Mode from "Alpha Channel Blend" to "Multiply". Keep in mind that the tattoos will darken considerably, so you want to use the light version of the tattoos. You will still need to add them to the translucency channel or lower the translucency weight for them to show up, though. But if the tattoos are black, blending the bruises with multiply will ensure they don't show up as though they are sitting/painted "above" the tattoo.

BTW I try the black injuries for another character and it still not looks so clear , I didn't change her skin.

FenixPhoenix

foxyfoxfurries said:

FenixPhoenix said:

Ah, I just thought of another way. So if the tattoos are indeed baked into the skin. Then you could open the layered image editor of the diffuse map and select (one by one) the layers that contain the bruises and change the Blend Mode from "Alpha Channel Blend" to "Multiply". Keep in mind that the tattoos will darken considerably, so you want to use the light version of the tattoos. You will still need to add them to the translucency channel or lower the translucency weight for them to show up, though. But if the tattoos are black, blending the bruises with multiply will ensure they don't show up as though they are sitting/painted "above" the tattoo.

Thank you very very much for your help! I do it and the tattoos is the same! The problem is the color of the injuries is still fade , only if I change her all skin it looks good but she looks pale again.
Shame don't have something to play with the colors , you have maybe more L.I.E. FACE BRUISES that stronger? I will buy for sure if have 
Your awsome BTW to try help me! :)

Did you try adding the bruises manually to the translucency channel map? High translucency means that the map in the translucency channel has a big impact on the overall look once it's rendered. So if the bruises aren't there, then they will look really faded. Some PAs also add a "Top Coat" which can also impact whether the bruises will be visible or not. At the time this pack came out, Genesis 8 had just launched and most Genesis 3 Characters didn't have high translucency values (so it wasn't as necessary at the time to build the LIE with a copy of the bruises in the translucency channel).

BTW, if lowering the translucency values make the bruise look better but makes the character looks too pale, try adding soft yellowish color to the translucency color channel to give the skin some warmth. What character skin are you using (so I can take a look and see if I have it)?

foxyfoxfurries

FenixPhoenix said:

foxyfoxfurries said:

FenixPhoenix said:

Ah, I just thought of another way. So if the tattoos are indeed baked into the skin. Then you could open the layered image editor of the diffuse map and select (one by one) the layers that contain the bruises and change the Blend Mode from "Alpha Channel Blend" to "Multiply". Keep in mind that the tattoos will darken considerably, so you want to use the light version of the tattoos. You will still need to add them to the translucency channel or lower the translucency weight for them to show up, though. But if the tattoos are black, blending the bruises with multiply will ensure they don't show up as though they are sitting/painted "above" the tattoo.

Thank you very very much for your help! I do it and the tattoos is the same! The problem is the color of the injuries is still fade , only if I change her all skin it looks good but she looks pale again.
Shame don't have something to play with the colors , you have maybe more L.I.E. FACE BRUISES that stronger? I will buy for sure if have 
Your awsome BTW to try help me! :)

Did you try adding the bruises manually to the translucency channel map? High translucency means that the map in the translucency channel has a big impact on the overall look once it's rendered. So if the bruises aren't there, then they will look really faded. Some PAs also add a "Top Coat" which can also impact whether the bruises will be visible or not. At the time this pack came out, Genesis 8 had just launched and most Genesis 3 Characters didn't have high translucency values (so it wasn't as necessary at the time to build the LIE with a copy of the bruises in the translucency channel).

BTW, if lowering the translucency values make the bruise look better but makes the character looks too pale, try adding soft yellowish color to the translucency color channel to give the skin some warmth. What character skin are you using (so I can take a look and see if I have it)?

Ow ok I get it , I use genesis 8 girls only =D About how I put it on the model I just drag the picture Layered to my model.
I uploaded picture , that was your question?

FenixPhoenix

Yeah, see, your charactwe has a Translucency value of 70. So you will need to add the bruises to that layer using the layered image editor. Here's a quick video by Second Circle that shows how LIE works (how to open it). You want to do the same, but on the translucency layer.

foxyfoxfurries

FenixPhoenix said:

Yeah, see, your charactwe has a Translucency value of 70. So you will need to add the bruises to that layer using the layered image editor. Here's a quick video by Second Circle that shows how LIE works (how to open it). You want to do the same, but on the translucency layer.

Ok I will try it thank you so much for your amazing HELP! :)
BTW maybe you plan to make more of this stuff for GENESIS 8? I will buy it for sure! =D 

Spacious

Once you're done setting up the LIE layers on the translucency channel, you can save that as a LIE preset to reuse on any other character from the same generation.

Alternately, since you're wanting to use the same images, you could make a copy of the original DUF file for the LIE preset you bought, use 7zip to open the archive (asssuming that the Duf file has been compressed) and use a text editor of your choice to replace DIFFUSE with TRANSLUCENCY (you'll understand what I mean as soon as you see the text of the DUF file) and then save it while exiting 7zip.

This should leave you with a new DUF file that will apply all the same maps as the original bought file to your translucency layer.  Hope this helps someone.

FenixPhoenix

@Foxyfoxfurries, I'll keep that in mind if we ever do an update to these bruises or create more. I'll need to bounce it off with DAZ first. Unfortunately, updating the product to today's standards would be too time-consuming to make it a free update. But we worry that releasing it as a paid update would have people angry that we didn't update it for free. So we've been trying to figure out if there's a solution. Of course, we can create new bruises, but I think we did a great job already in covering most of the body so there aren't that many different bruises we could do. I have been discussing with Esid the possible solution of creating an updated version of these bruises (wherein they apply to the translucency channel) but adding extra textures to showcase bruises at different levels of healing. We shall see what happens, as right now we have our hands a bit full with the products we're working on ;).

Adding to @Spacious great solution, I recommend:

1. Duplicate all the LIE Materials Files (found in My DAZ 3D Library > People > Genesis 8 Female > Materials > FenixPhoenix > Face Bruises) and saved them into a folder called (Translucency) so you can differentiate between the two.
2. Then can use the batch convert function inside DAZ Studio (Windows > Panes > Batch Convert), Click on Add Directory... navigate to the new folder you created, and click on that. Once all the files appear, you want to select "Uncompress Listed Compressed Assets" (near the bottom under DUF Compression) and hit apply.
3. Navigate to your new folder and use the notepad to open the uncompressed files.
4. Then use the "File and Replace" function to change from "Diffuse" to "Translucency".
5. Save all changes.
6. Since these new files won't have metadata, you'll want to access them via the Content Library. You can now apply the Diffuse LIEs and the Translucency LIEs.