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I would call it noise not grain because grain suggests a film effect as said.
if one doesn't want to do postwork the only solutions are either massive render times or a biased render engine like 3Delight.
Denoising is postwork.
going through it pixel by pixel with a healing brush is postwork.
painting over the top of it is postwork
rendering a huge image and blurring then downscaling is postwork.
Thanks... I wasn't aware you consider me an amateur or hobbyist.
I actually am an "artist" who's been selling everything from paintings and sculptures to any sort of crap people will buy, my entire life, but I chose not to call myself an "artist" because of the fickle nature of humans and how they choose to determine what is "art" and what is crap... so it's all the same to me as long as I get paid... you want hard work, pay for it, you want paint thrown on a canvas from six feet away, I don't care... you want me to sculpt a quarter scale figure of a marvel character, I'll do it... bring the $$$...
If it's to entertain myself I exert the effort required to achieve what makes me satisfied...
I don't happen to care about grain because I'm not selling that form of work to anyone at the moment... If someone is paying me for it, then I do... and I have been paid to do that many times, thank you... I just don't brag about it.
I've been doing "art" since I was 15 and started painting album covers on concert jackets, I've even worked in the art industry and have met a bunch of famous pop artists of the 80s, I've worked as a commercial artist and all sorts of jobs that are probably art, but aren't considered art because they are outside of what the folks who determine what art is... which you should remember 3D art wasn't even considered as not too long ago.
My comment isn't that 3D art is crap nobody cares about, but that most of my 3D art is crap that nobody cares about... which is why I don't bother with galleries... who cares what I make... I have more fun posting a dumb render than showing off my great visions... and for what?.. To be criticized for not having perfect lighting or not adhering to some magical golden rules set by dead people?... or having grain or post work?
At the end of the day, if I show my work to a client and they like it, thats all I give a crap about... that and making friends smile with a dumb joke...
I've made more "art" in my life than you could fit in most galleries (and I've have had my work displayed in a real gallery, by the way)...(which by the way is no standard of anything)...
Your comment is exactly why I don't talk much about my "art" or "art" in general.
If that's not a good answer, than please refer to my previous post above... particularly the part about the pony.
Yes the pony.
Think about the pony.
...ah but the satire is great reading and often refreshing these days. Where I am, satire kind of goes *whoosh* (or maybe *swoosh*) over the head for many.
...and I never could figure out how to keep the salmon in the pipe lit long enough to get a good hit. Maybe that's where the allergy to it came from.
I've been using the mcj denoiser and I think it's just about right. It is usually the areas in deep shadows that need it. In those areas, it doesn't matter if the result is not perfect, as long as the noise goes away. I did a few tests where I cut the render time in half, then denoised, but this was not as good as a regular render that might need the denoiser. Most of the time, it's not needed.
As for real graininess, that can be an artistic choice, as in film noir, or vintage photography type art. When it's uniform across the image, or has effects tacked on like vertical film streaks, that can be interesting. Are videotape streaks considered vintage now? (horizontal not vertical)
As for real grains, I'm gluten-free, so loave me out of that one... (eyes roll)
A lot of of us here are hobbyists, but I think some professional photographers have exhibited picures with visible grain in galleries. And there user to be painters who painted pictures with big spots of colour that you can easily see, sort of like grain but much bigger. I don't know much about art but I think some of them are rated as great artists.
Personally I find grain in my renders annoying but with my computer I just have to accept it. I am surprised when I see grain in promo pictures, I would have thought if you are trying to sell something then letting the render run long enough to remove it makes sense.
...the style of painting is known as "pointillist" and was popular in the late 1800s, particularly in France. it evolved into a style during the early part of last century which was referred to called "Divisionist" which later led to "cubism".
Artists famous for this style include: Georges Seurat, Paul Signac, Anna Boch, and Vincent Van Gough (who's works tend to be more in the Divisionist style).