Help choosing a GPU
tonyhels555
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For daz studio, which one is better, Gigabyte or MSI gpu?
I have the option currently to get either GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3060 GAMING OC 12GB or MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ventus x2 OC 12GB
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I only get EVGA GPU's. I currently have 6 of them, not including a 2080 Ti currently for sale in Ebay and a 1080 Ti I'm not using at the moment. The reason is simple: these nvidia GPUs all seem comparable regardless of the manufacturer. Evga however has a 3 year transferrable warranty. So when I get a GPU, usually from Ebay unless I am very lucky, the warranty still stands. I thankfully only had to RMA one GPU, a 1080 Ti. It was replaced, no questions asked beyond proof of purchase.
The Gigabyte is a 3 fan card and much longer over 300 mm
The MSi is a twin fan card and and a bit shorter.
Make sure if your case is large enough to take the Gigabyte card.
I myself would pick the smaller card. the RTX3060 has very low TDP compared to it's larger siblings, so the thermals will be okay with either card.
MSI provides great support, updates are a snap.
Something to consider:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/faulty-rtx-3070-ti-dies-in-rtx-3060
with Nvidia cards the chips come from Nvidia, the pcb boards, diodes and resistors come from a handful of factories in Asia which produce cards for MSI, ZOTAC, Gigabyte, EVGA, ASUS for them. The cards may be branded by the logo but once past the design stage they are not involved in is assembly. What I do know is this is NOT A GOOD TIME to buy a GPU unless you're willing to plunk down a premium or keep hitting refresh on a trusted resellers webpage and hope they don't get greedy all of the sudden. i bought my 1660ti in 2019 a few months after it came into production for $279, it's now selling for over $600 and people are buying them.
Thanks Bitcoin!
I dont know if it apples to the chips the sell to the card makers, it looks like their own founder edition cards which tend to get sold in high end systems. Either way that's shady.
As the article says this is a common pratice. I would not be at all surprised to learn that say some I5 CPUs are actually I7s that didn't pass some spec tests.
Situation getting better at least here in EU. There were 14 different models of RTX30xx ready to deliver with 10-25 pcs available each, the last time I checked the inventory of my preferred store. The cheapest one being an Asus 12GB 3060 at 640 eur (VAT 24% included)
If you can swing it, the 3090, for that sweet, sweet 24Gb VRAM!
That's a manufacturing step called "binning". Happens all the time and has been for a very a long time.
https://www.techspot.com/article/2039-chip-binning/
I love EVGA's warranties but I always pay the extra to extend it to 5 years. It's only an extra $30 for the extra 2 years but that's about how often, approximately, I go between video card upgrades and I like the extra peace of mind paying $30 to have a full 5 year warranty on a $1500+ card.
Asus GeForce PH-RTX3060-12G, price 470eur (VAT 24% included), last arrived 24pcs a week ago, last one sold 2 days ago
...actually it's more like Ethereum, Dogecoin, and others as Bitcoin has almost exclusively moved to ASIC chips for mining these days..
I'm not a fan of Crypto Currency Mining, It is easy to blame just one group of people for the GPU crisis, however, if you dig a little deeper, It is not entirely the Crypto Miners fault for this 'crisis' I think the Pandemic played a larger role. Cryptomining started way before this crisis, In fact there was a mini shortage in GPU back in 2017, GPU manufacturers up their production and coupled with a slight CM crash, we had plenty of GPUs in 2018/19.
The Pandemic hit early 2020. As a result most countries shut down or slowed down day to day business operations. More folks are staying home, some got laid off, furloughed, Many people stayed home and had lot's of time, so they found ways to spend that time. The amount of miners/gamers/work from home folks increase. These folks need computers /CPUs,/GPUs/HDs etc. The pandemic shut down many factories that produce components for computers and electronics. Miners of the raw materials also slowed down.
The demands of electonics coupled with the shortages of raw material and electronic components created this perfect storm.
I'm jus saying that one should not just blame one group of people for this crisis. Heck even gamers and telecommuters are to blame as well if you look at this objectively...
...my primary comment was to note that Bitcoin mining moved away from GPUs to ASIC processors a couple years ago because it was more efficient given the amount of processing power that was ended to make the mining venture worth it. After the first mining rush a few years ago (when Pascal was released) faded, prices for cards eventually came back down to earth. When the 20xx cards were released prices remained fairly stable as interest mining had waned due to the high investment cost vs meagre returns.
I am very aware of the chip shortage since last year, which first caused an uptick in system memory prices.
However, the new mining rush has still contributed a fair amount to this matter as new "coins" were minted. If it were primarily just the chip shortage, I could understand a mark-up more in line with what occurred for memory costs, (and it would likely have been figured into the price of GPU cards at release) but not 2 to 3 or more times over the factory MSRP, which seemed suspiciously like what happened during 2016 mining rush. True there was also the matter of speculators which further exacerbated teh situation, who snapped up as many cards as they could at MSRP, using bots to get around purchase limits and beat out individuals trying to order online. They would either install them in pre-made ready to go mining rigs for sale through various sources, or resold them in lots of multiple cards, often promoted for mining use (currenly there is a flood of 12 GB 2060s over on eBay but the "non acution" sales are still at around twice the card's 330$ MSRP).
As to telecommuters, most who worked or studied from home tended to do so on notebooks (which use a mobile GPU if it has one) because of the portability, so that wouldn't explain the spike in card prices and "shortage". For the most part, even desktops purchased for these purposes tended to be lower cost systems more suited to business or education which didn't require a powerful, high VRAM GPU (or one at all, such as those that which used APUs). In some cases, workers and students were also issued systems (again usually notebooks) by their employer or school district respectively (or by charitable organisations in the case of poor families) which were pretty basic and intended for those particular purposes.
the bitcoin jab was tongue and cheek. I'm working directly with (or against) supply chains right now, it's a mess for a dozen reasons, many of these reasons may be legitimate but I'm sure a few are manufactured from greed and blame.
Great idea! Lately, I've been upgrading each generation. But I think at this point I may add another 3090, and then keep what I have until the generation after the next. I never even thought about the extension, as usually I end up replacing the cards before the 3 yr expires. But for resaler, having the wearranty in place helps it sell.