[OT] Centralization of internet makes it fragile

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,226

    LeatherGryphon said:

    Wheee..., no problems here...   no accounts for Faceplant, TwitsAhoy, or any scheme of that ilk.  I was there at the beginning and predicted what the Internet would become.  Wrote a paper about it, opted out of everything except the basics.  Never looked back.   I do show up in a couple forums and also use on-line catalogs, banks & government but I wanted nothing to do with any of the social media apps.  I could expound on why, but I'm sure a moderator would find a TOS violation in there somewhere.

    ...I usually refer to the "blue birdie" as TWIT-er  

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,226
    edited October 2021

    Novica said:

    Ci Pwff (my Samoyed) has about 4,600 followers on Instagram and it's a lot of fun chatting with folks all over the world who are dog lovers :)  I get a good laugh at some of the videos. 

    ...same for myself and kite fliers (FB).  I'm subscribed to a couple groups relating to kites and kite flying.  Also one about flutterbys that has worldwide participation.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,226

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    it could be worse...

    DAZ could be down laugh

    ...

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,226
    edited October 2021

    ..I've been following this on ZD|Net during the day and one report mentioned that employee key cards didn't work so they were locked out of the buildings  Talk about being embarrassing,  they couldn't even get in to fix the situation.

    Just checked again (19:25 Left Coast Time) and it's back up..

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  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 8,807

    There was a public service announcement at a hardware store I visited, it read:-

    Important announcement !

    As of today Youtube, Twitter & Facebook have announced they are amalgamating.

    They will now be known as You Twit Face .....

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,226
    edited October 2021

    ...

     

    Reminds me of a freind of mine who combined all the mjor brands of rotgut fortified wine in to one name: Thunder Train 20/20.

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  • BejaymacBejaymac Posts: 1,897

    Down for day and people think it's the end of the world, try being without internet for a month and see how you get on.

    Had to get a new contract with a different ISP, so that's me just got back online, you have no idea how much you use the damned thing until you no longer have access,

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,967

    Bunyip02 said:

    ...

    They will now be known as You Twit Face .....

    laughyesyesyes


     

    Never used Failbook, Tweeter or anything of that ilk and manage to survive without having a smartphone without problems until now... and probably for a couple more years...

    When looking back, all these not really social medias share the burden to be responsible for modern life being so much less social than it was in olden times. Okay, one can now talk with their "friends" on other continents... but many don't know the person in the neighbouring house/flat/appartement except from a short "Hello" when passing each other on the way to work...

    Saying that Failbook is the easiest way to contact some real life friends or relatives seems utterly weird to me - why not just give a phone call? Yeah, sure.. talking over phone needs the ability to think before talking without any chance to do some edits compared to a written text.. but hearing a loved voice gives one so much more good fuzzy feelings..

    So.. yeah, it would probably a terrible thing if Failbook, Tweeter and their ilk would for any reason suddenly disappear from the planet's face (together with Amazon if my wishes would come true) but mankind would survive it... and probably be better off without them.

     

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited October 2021

    maikdecker said:

    Bunyip02 said:

    ...

    They will now be known as You Twit Face .....

    laughyesyesyes


     

    Never used Failbook, Tweeter or anything of that ilk and manage to survive without having a smartphone without problems until now... and probably for a couple more years...

    When looking back, all these not really social medias share the burden to be responsible for modern life being so much less social than it was in olden times. Okay, one can now talk with their "friends" on other continents... but many don't know the person in the neighbouring house/flat/appartement except from a short "Hello" when passing each other on the way to work...

    Saying that Failbook is the easiest way to contact some real life friends or relatives seems utterly weird to me - why not just give a phone call? Yeah, sure.. talking over phone needs the ability to think before talking without any chance to do some edits compared to a written text.. but hearing a loved voice gives one so much more good fuzzy feelings..

    So.. yeah, it would probably a terrible thing if Failbook, Tweeter and their ilk would for any reason suddenly disappear from the planet's face (together with Amazon if my wishes would come true) but mankind would survive it... and probably be better off without them.

     

    Not that I'm an advocate for social media addiction in any fashion as it (in general) has lead to the massive wildfire-esque spread of things like hate, false information, and the continued pressuring of young (and not so young) people with unrealistic standards of beauty (massive side eye towards infulencers)...but...

    ...these days many employers won't even look at you if you don't have at least something of a social media presence (most often it's a Facebook account that is looked for). It's kind of like...if you don't have a credit card, you'll have a harder time getting credit. You might not like a credit card, or want a credit card, but you kind of need a credit card these days because even your utilities company runs your credit report. (Which is also why I don't get why people don't watch what they say on Facebook or Twitter because there have been many examples of people getting fired over something they said, even if it has nothing to do with the employer itself. My employer has required yearly training about what we can and can't say or do on social media...which is also a huge reason why you won't see much beyond cute animal videos on my Facebook page, lol.)

    So the thing I'd preach is moderation. If you can't go a day without Facebook, there's a problem.  

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  • maikdecker said:

    Never used Failbook, Tweeter or anything of that ilk and manage to survive without having a smartphone without problems until now... and probably for a couple more years...

    When looking back, all these not really social medias share the burden to be responsible for modern life being so much less social than it was in olden times. Okay, one can now talk with their "friends" on other continents... but many don't know the person in the neighbouring house/flat/appartement except from a short "Hello" when passing each other on the way to work...

    Saying that Failbook is the easiest way to contact some real life friends or relatives seems utterly weird to me - why not just give a phone call? Yeah, sure.. talking over phone needs the ability to think before talking without any chance to do some edits compared to a written text.. but hearing a loved voice gives one so much more good fuzzy feelings..

    It gladdens my heart to read that so many people here haven't been sucked into the social media cesspool, or temporarily were but climbed out after realizing how bad it was. Big thumbs up to all of you.

    On another site discussing the issue, somebody mentioned that if a "friend" refuses to connect with you by any other means than Facebook, they aren't really your friend.  ;-)

  • melissastjames said:

    ...these days many employers won't even look at you if you don't have at least something of a social media presence (most often it's a Facebook account that is looked for).

    Hmmm, if I was recruiting I'd consider that a plus. smiley  You know they won't be wasting time checking their feeds while at work ("just a quick glance") and you don't have worry that they'll post something offensive which will reflect badly on the company.

  • TBorNotTBorNot Posts: 370
    edited October 2021

    No, the Internet was not invented to survive a nuclear attack.  Here's how it started.

    In the beginning, there was Stanford and Cornell, and they were tired of using UUCP over modems, and wanted to try out the new Ethernet.  In those days, a cross country T1 line was hideous expensive.  The gang at Stanford had a bull session between war protests, high on weed, to figure out what to do. 

    "Who has enough money to pay AT&T for a line?" 

    "The military!"

    "How are we going to trick them into spending money?" 

    "Let's tell them it's to survive a nuclear war!"

    They then all roll around on the floor laughing.  You know, the ARPANET was around for decades before the military caught on and booted it to the civilians to pay for...

    The guys at Stanford later went on to start a company , Stanford University Networking, or SUN.

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  • akmerlowakmerlow Posts: 1,124
    edited October 2021

    On another site discussing the issue, somebody mentioned that if a "friend" refuses to connect with you by any other means than Facebook, they aren't really your friend.  ;-)

    It's not that simple as it is, tbh. I personally experienced when i have DIFFERENT ways of contacting certain friends  but in the end, there is specific ONE place that ends up the only one where they always read messages and reply, while others they don't check much and whatever. In case with some people its facebook. With others - telegram. Etc. etc.

    And asking them all to use something that is most pleasant to "me" just never worked in the end :( So it was that. You have to adapt to other people if they are important to you.  

     

    ***

    Also i might be on side of more young audience here, as i'm in late 20s and speak about experience i had since i was 15 or something. People of my generation dont really like phone calls, like at all, except few exceptions. Sure, they will voice chat over skype or something. But they consider good old phone communication being too invasive, too worrying, too untrustful. They got used that most phone calls are endless spammers/scammers or extremely dangerous cases like when relative got injured or other "alert!". At the same time, "we" are generation that spend so many time in endless text chats... it just we went from ICQ or Miranda to fb messenger or discords... 

    crying 

    And i'm not even "generation z" who is often even more digitalized... Just while  i grew up on websites and forums, young blood usually grows up on "applications". 

    p.s. 

    Unlike USA, we never had "free" sms. Which is why messengers were such popular as a workaround.

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  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited October 2021

    ColinFrench said:

    melissastjames said:

    ...these days many employers won't even look at you if you don't have at least something of a social media presence (most often it's a Facebook account that is looked for).

    Hmmm, if I was recruiting I'd consider that a plus. smiley  You know they won't be wasting time checking their feeds while at work ("just a quick glance") and you don't have worry that they'll post something offensive which will reflect badly on the company.

    There's more to it than that...employers use it to guage the person they are hiring, beyond typed words on a resume or a rehearsed interview. I'm not saying I agree with it...only that it's a common practice these days. 

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  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    akmerlow said:

    On another site discussing the issue, somebody mentioned that if a "friend" refuses to connect with you by any other means than Facebook, they aren't really your friend.  ;-)

    It's not that simple as it is, tbh. I personally experienced when i have DIFFERENT ways of contacting certain friends  but in the end, there is specific ONE place that ends up the only one where they always read messages and reply, while others they don't check much and whatever. In case with some people its facebook. With others - telegram. Etc. etc.

    And asking them all to use something that is most pleasant to "me" just never worked in the end :( So it was that. You have to adapt to other people if they are important to you.  

     

    ***

    Also i might be on side of more young audience here, as i'm in late 20s and speak about experience i had since i was 15 or something. People of my generation dont really like phone calls, like at all, except few exceptions. Sure, they will voice chat over skype or something. But they consider good old phone communication being too invasive, too worrying, too untrustful. They got used that most phone calls are endless spammers/scammers or extremely dangerous cases like when relative got injured or other "alert!". At the same time, "we" are generation that spend so many time in endless text chats... it just we went from ICQ or Miranda to fb messenger or discords... 

    crying 

    And i'm not even "generation z" who is even more digitalized... Just while  i grew up on websites and forums, young blood grows up on "applications". 

    p.s. 

    Unlike USA, we never had "free" sms. Which is why messengers were such popular.

    I'm 40 and I hate phone calls...even at work. I'd much rather chat via DM or text.  

  • akmerlow said:

    You have to adapt to other people if they are important to you.

    I get what you're saying, and the comment I reposted was sort of an ironic one, but let me ask you this -- why should *you* be the one that has to adapt?

    I guess it comes down to how strongly one feels about the damage that social media is causing to society. If somebody doesn't consider it an issue, then there's little incentive to avoid it. And personally I don't think age has much to do with it, but that's mostly based on anecdotal feedback, YMMV.

    Cheers!

  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,977

    I wouldn't have known any of this was happening had I not heard on the news

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    melissastjames said:

    akmerlow said:

    On another site discussing the issue, somebody mentioned that if a "friend" refuses to connect with you by any other means than Facebook, they aren't really your friend.  ;-)

    It's not that simple as it is, tbh. I personally experienced when i have DIFFERENT ways of contacting certain friends  but in the end, there is specific ONE place that ends up the only one where they always read messages and reply, while others they don't check much and whatever. In case with some people its facebook. With others - telegram. Etc. etc.

    And asking them all to use something that is most pleasant to "me" just never worked in the end :( So it was that. You have to adapt to other people if they are important to you.  

     

    ***

    Also i might be on side of more young audience here, as i'm in late 20s and speak about experience i had since i was 15 or something. People of my generation dont really like phone calls, like at all, except few exceptions. Sure, they will voice chat over skype or something. But they consider good old phone communication being too invasive, too worrying, too untrustful. They got used that most phone calls are endless spammers/scammers or extremely dangerous cases like when relative got injured or other "alert!". At the same time, "we" are generation that spend so many time in endless text chats... it just we went from ICQ or Miranda to fb messenger or discords... 

    crying 

    And i'm not even "generation z" who is even more digitalized... Just while  i grew up on websites and forums, young blood grows up on "applications". 

    p.s. 

    Unlike USA, we never had "free" sms. Which is why messengers were such popular.

    I'm 40 and I hate phone calls...even at work. I'd much rather chat via DM or text.  

    I'm 57 and if it wasn't for my mom, I would not even have a phone. Email is my preferred communication method even at work, as you don't have to give answers then and there based on what you remember, and there's always an archive to check what was said and promised - Been with the current employer for 9 years and I have every message stored on my archive files.
    Phones are for emergencies only.

    Young ones being more familiar with digitalized world is just a myth. They may know how to use different social media platforms, but for 'most' of them, that is pretty much the extent of their knowledge.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,967

    PerttiA said:

    melissastjames said:

    akmerlow said:

    On another site discussing the issue, somebody mentioned that if a "friend" refuses to connect with you by any other means than Facebook, they aren't really your friend.  ;-)

    It's not that simple as it is, tbh. I personally experienced when i have DIFFERENT ways of contacting certain friends  but in the end, there is specific ONE place that ends up the only one where they always read messages and reply, while others they don't check much and whatever. In case with some people its facebook. With others - telegram. Etc. etc.

    And asking them all to use something that is most pleasant to "me" just never worked in the end :( So it was that. You have to adapt to other people if they are important to you.  

     

    ***

    Also i might be on side of more young audience here, as i'm in late 20s and speak about experience i had since i was 15 or something. People of my generation dont really like phone calls, like at all, except few exceptions. Sure, they will voice chat over skype or something. But they consider good old phone communication being too invasive, too worrying, too untrustful. They got used that most phone calls are endless spammers/scammers or extremely dangerous cases like when relative got injured or other "alert!". At the same time, "we" are generation that spend so many time in endless text chats... it just we went from ICQ or Miranda to fb messenger or discords... 

    crying 

    And i'm not even "generation z" who is even more digitalized... Just while  i grew up on websites and forums, young blood grows up on "applications". 

    p.s. 

    Unlike USA, we never had "free" sms. Which is why messengers were such popular.

    I'm 40 and I hate phone calls...even at work. I'd much rather chat via DM or text.  

    I'm 57 and if it wasn't for my mom, I would not even have a phone. Email is my preferred communication method even at work, as you don't have to give answers then and there based on what you remember, and there's always an archive to check what was said and promised - Been with the current employer for 9 years and I have every message stored on my archive files.
    Phones are for emergencies only.

    Young ones being more familiar with digitalized world is just a myth. They may know how to use different social media platforms, but for 'most' of them, that is pretty much the extent of their knowledge.

    I'm 61 (and german... might be of importance, due to cultural differences..) and I'm working with computers for the last 40 years. And I've been contacting different mediums like those "Dial In message boards (= you dial in one board by modem and the host of the board themselves dials into an upper tier board to transfer the messages and to get messages from other hosts down on his board), chat servers (ICQ, AIM etc) and whatnots... never had a need for a smartphone (I'm not a that important person that people would need to be able to contact me 24/7) or those "social media" hosting services. And while I hated to have to deal with customer phone calls (a pita when working in public social services like the unemployment agency) I still do all my vital contacting with friends and family by telephone. It's - for me - way more personal. And it has the added advantage, that the chance that my phonecalls over hardwired lines aren't tracked by anyone (even though I'm not important enough to track anything connected to me, but still...) while all the information transfer (mails, voice, video, whatever..) sits on some data server (clouds, anyone?) and is searchable for every KI data mining routine by whoever manages to hack that server or who has the legal rights to do so...

    So youngsters thinking that the good old phonecalls are less secure than contacts over the internet might do some deeper digging into the fundamentals of data transfer wink

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,288
    edited October 2021

    Bejaymac said:

    Down for day and people think it's the end of the world, try being without internet for a month and see how you get on.

    Had to get a new contract with a different ISP, so that's me just got back online, you have no idea how much you use the damned thing until you no longer have access,

    My wife and I work online so its the #2 bill that gets paid unless we don't want to pay bills. It's a bit hard to upload packs with no internet. We've had to go to family members house before to upload a pack. Our area of town went down so we went to my FIL's to do it since he lived across town. I rarely go to FB anymore cause it just breeds hatred and lies.

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    I didn't even know FB was offline until almost midnight. And by then it was back. I'm not on it much. Some days not at all. And less these days than ever.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    FSMCDesigns said:

    Wow, FB, twitter and IG being gone would be a reason to celebrate IMO, LOL

    I know!! laugh 

  • Victor_BVictor_B Posts: 391
    edited October 2021

    PerttiA said:

    I'm 57 and if it wasn't for my mom, I would not even have a phone. Email is my preferred communication method even at work, as you don't have to give answers then and there based on what you remember, and there's always an archive to check what was said and promised - Been with the current employer for 9 years and I have every message stored on my archive files.
    Phones are for emergencies only.

    Young ones being more familiar with digitalized world is just a myth. They may know how to use different social media platforms, but for 'most' of them, that is pretty much the extent of their knowledge.

    The main question here is what email server are you using? Your own server or maybe GMail? In case of Gmail all your email archive is available for reading to tens of thousands of Google's admins too (google bots, government on demand). May be it's not a problem for you and your business, but... all those promises and financial reports... can you send the archive to me, I want to read it too? wink

    The same "problem" is with Facebook. It stores everything on his servers as plain text. Not encrypted. (In other case the search won't work). So, everyone who has access to FB's servers has access to your (sometimes) personal information. And believe me there are thousands people too. People who are not your friends, who you never used to know, who... you even don't know they are exists, but they know about you EVERYTHING. You thought that was a personal message, but, actually, your posts on FB, Gmail, etc. are NEVER private.

    Are you surprised? wink

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  • Victor_B said:

    The main question here is what email server are you using? Your own server or maybe GMail? In case of Gmail all your email archive is available for reading to tens of thousands of Google's admins too (google bots, government on demand).

    That's why I was mildly annoyed when a friend switched to GMail. I don't have an account with them, but any emails we send back and forth may contain information about me, so Google will get me anyway. Google already knows too much about me thanks to their search engine, but I didn't want to add even more data to it.

    BTW, I always disable Google's trackers on web sites (like this one) not to mention those for Facebook. It may be difficult to maintain some semblance of digitial privacy these days but that doesn't mean we should just shrug and give up trying. I also don't have a cell phone, so no tracking there either. Some may think I'm verging into tinfoil hat territory, but from my viewpoint it's not worth giving up my privacy for a bit of convenience. Of course, the balance between those may different for different people.

    Geez, I gotta put the soapbox away and go render something! laugh

     

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,186

    Victor_B said:

    PerttiA said:

    I'm 57 and if it wasn't for my mom, I would not even have a phone. Email is my preferred communication method even at work, as you don't have to give answers then and there based on what you remember, and there's always an archive to check what was said and promised - Been with the current employer for 9 years and I have every message stored on my archive files.
    Phones are for emergencies only.

    Young ones being more familiar with digitalized world is just a myth. They may know how to use different social media platforms, but for 'most' of them, that is pretty much the extent of their knowledge.

    The main question here is what email server are you using? Your own server or maybe GMail? In case of Gmail all your email archive is available for reading to tens of thousands of Google's admins too (google bots, government on demand). May be it's not a problem for you and your business, but... all those promises and financial reports... can you send the archive to me, I want to read it too? wink

    The same "problem" is with Facebook. It stores everything on his servers as plain text. Not encrypted. (In other case the search won't work). So, everyone who has access to FB's servers has access to your (sometimes) personal information. And believe me there are thousands people too. People who are not your friends, who you never used to know, who... you even don't know they are exists, but they know about you EVERYTHING. You thought that was a personal message, but, actually, your posts on FB, Gmail, etc. are NEVER private.

    Are you surprised? wink

    Nope. I have a Book of Many Faces (None Of Them Mine)  account that dates back to when DAZ would post cash coupons there - three or four store generations ago. I've never posted anything there, and my profile picture is the customer interconnect bay of an IBM DS8100 electronic storage system. I follow a dozen or so personalities on IG. I have never posted anything myself on any platform and I do not have SM apps on my phone. I provide as littlee as possible for these outfits to slice, dice, package, and sell.

  • maikdecker said:

    Bunyip02 said:

    ...

    They will now be known as You Twit Face .....

    laughyesyesyes


     

    Never used Failbook, Tweeter or anything of that ilk and manage to survive without having a smartphone without problems until now... and probably for a couple more years...

    When looking back, all these not really social medias share the burden to be responsible for modern life being so much less social than it was in olden times. Okay, one can now talk with their "friends" on other continents... but many don't know the person in the neighbouring house/flat/appartement except from a short "Hello" when passing each other on the way to work...

    Saying that Failbook is the easiest way to contact some real life friends or relatives seems utterly weird to me - why not just give a phone call? Yeah, sure.. talking over phone needs the ability to think before talking without any chance to do some edits compared to a written text.. but hearing a loved voice gives one so much more good fuzzy feelings..

    So.. yeah, it would probably a terrible thing if Failbook, Tweeter and their ilk would for any reason suddenly disappear from the planet's face (together with Amazon if my wishes would come true) but mankind would survive it... and probably be better off without them.

     

    OMG someone else who uses the word "ilk".yes  A very encompasing word.laugh 

  • Victor_BVictor_B Posts: 391

    namffuak said:

    Nope. I have a Book of Many Faces (None Of Them Mine)  account that dates back to when DAZ would post cash coupons there - three or four store generations ago. I've never posted anything there, and my profile picture is the customer interconnect bay of an IBM DS8100 electronic storage system. I follow a dozen or so personalities on IG. I have never posted anything myself on any platform and I do not have SM apps on my phone. I provide as littlee as possible for these outfits to slice, dice, package, and sell.

    :)))

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,580

    there are people who don't use ilk?

    what base types of creatures are they? cheeky

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Victor_B said:

    PerttiA said:

    I'm 57 and if it wasn't for my mom, I would not even have a phone. Email is my preferred communication method even at work, as you don't have to give answers then and there based on what you remember, and there's always an archive to check what was said and promised - Been with the current employer for 9 years and I have every message stored on my archive files.
    Phones are for emergencies only.

    Young ones being more familiar with digitalized world is just a myth. They may know how to use different social media platforms, but for 'most' of them, that is pretty much the extent of their knowledge.

    The main question here is what email server are you using? Your own server or maybe GMail? In case of Gmail all your email archive is available for reading to tens of thousands of Google's admins too (google bots, government on demand). May be it's not a problem for you and your business, but... all those promises and financial reports... can you send the archive to me, I want to read it too? wink

    The only email address is the work address on company servers, and most of my emails are about me flipping the bird at the sales for not reading the incoming orders, you really wouldn't want to read themdevil

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited October 2021

    Victor_B said:

    PerttiA said:

    I'm 57 and if it wasn't for my mom, I would not even have a phone. Email is my preferred communication method even at work, as you don't have to give answers then and there based on what you remember, and there's always an archive to check what was said and promised - Been with the current employer for 9 years and I have every message stored on my archive files.
    Phones are for emergencies only.

    Young ones being more familiar with digitalized world is just a myth. They may know how to use different social media platforms, but for 'most' of them, that is pretty much the extent of their knowledge.

    The main question here is what email server are you using? Your own server or maybe GMail? In case of Gmail all your email archive is available for reading to tens of thousands of Google's admins too (google bots, government on demand). May be it's not a problem for you and your business, but... all those promises and financial reports... can you send the archive to me, I want to read it too? wink

    The same "problem" is with Facebook. It stores everything on his servers as plain text. Not encrypted. (In other case the search won't work). So, everyone who has access to FB's servers has access to your (sometimes) personal information. And believe me there are thousands people too. People who are not your friends, who you never used to know, who... you even don't know they are exists, but they know about you EVERYTHING. You thought that was a personal message, but, actually, your posts on FB, Gmail, etc. are NEVER private.

    Are you surprised? wink

    You make it sound like these companies are in there reading everybody's dirty laundry for kicks. What about your insurance company? You think those employees can't see your stuff if they really want to? Are they looking? No...not if they value their job and don't want to go to jail.  

    I know some folks are still all about keeping paper and money shoved up in their mattress...not I. Just as video killed the radio star, digital will kill analog. 

    Post edited by MelissaGT on
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