RE: What's up with the lack of communication?

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,225

    ...yep, still happening. 

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,696
    edited October 2021

    Welp, after many times hitting F5 on the page, I was at least able to grab daz studio again lol. Goz and LAMH came through too, maybe it's fixed?

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  • IppotamusIppotamus Posts: 1,580

    For what it is worth'

    I was just able to download something that I had not been able to download for two days.

    Fluke, luck, fixed?

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,022

    I think its fixed :) yay

  • ainukeainuke Posts: 85
    edited October 2021

    Daz_Jessica said:

    I'm sorry for the furstration you all are feeling.  We've been actively investigating, however because it's not impacting all customers it's been difficult to trace.  This problem is being actively worked on and we expect resolution soon.  Thank you for your patience.

    -

     Can it please be company policy to make this type of announcement in a big red stickie on this forum, as soon as the problem is realized, and a general timeline of where the process is? 

     

    "We are working on an issue with the distribution network to some customers"

    "UPDATE: 1:00pm - we have identified the issue, and expect to have content downloads for those customers available by [whenever]"

    "UPDATE: [WHENEVER] - we have resolved the issue. If you are continuing to have an issue, please contact customer support. We will update this thread as needed"

     

    Any customers who have time sensitivity for a solution can set up whatever alerts for responses suits them.

    Keeps comms open and transparent, consolidates replies into one thread and mods don't need to remove or respond to many.

    - Erik

     

    EDIT TO ADD: I appreciate that technical problems happen, and I'm not in a huge hurry to download my content. I know I'll get it soon, because you are a legit business who delivers on their product.

    Post edited by ainuke on
  • This has been resolved!  You should be able to download to without issue. The problem was caused by a recent server migration and has not only been solved for this issue but also for the future.  

    Thank you for your patience.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Daz_Jessica said:

    This has been resolved!  You should be able to download to without issue. The problem was caused by a recent server migration and has not only been solved for this issue but also for the future.  

    Thank you for your patience.

    Thank you. It turns out that "soon" was really soon. :) 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,225

    ...agh, again this particular sale is affected by behind the scenes changes. really don't want a repeat of what happened last year. 

  • Yay, confirming that I'm able to download with DazCentral all of the stuff I bought yesterday. A "me too" but a happy me-too, right?

    Seriously, I do software support myself, so I appreciate the pain of "system down" issues. 

  • Glad to see things are working again.

    Maybe Daz should invest in a status page (https://www.atlassian.com/software/statuspage) for the store and DIM :)

  • 3WC3WC Posts: 1,113

    Well, I feel your pain. Fortunately for me, this was kind of like the facebook/instagram outage--I read about it after the fact. :D

  • So, want to respond to Richard and Jessica. As many people responding to my post said much more elegantly than I, " It's NOT the technical issue", it's the communication issue. As I said before, it's not about you guys as mods ( tech support) it's about the " burying" of the communication. Putting a warning of the issue on the front page of the store( where everyone can see it.), is being pro-active. requiring your customers to rummage through various forums ( is it the commons, is it Tech support? ) where is it and which thread? I'm sorry Richard,not going to argue the point about Mac, but let's just say, your's and my experience of the situation is very different. We could argue about each individual issue all the way through up to this weekend, but that makes this issue a forest through the trees situation. I mean I could go all the way back to when Daz decided to " sell" Daz Studio, decided that that was a mistake and suddenly made it free again!. People were furious, but I suspect it was the thorough lack of communication and a plan to deal with the OUTRAGE  before the announcement. Tech companies seem to have a serious lack of EQ when it comes to making  sure that their customer base feels secure and wanted and acknowledged. If there is anything to be learned by FaceBook, it is how not to treat customers and how your messaging comes off.  This company is in essence a service economy company. And while the fan base is significant, in terms of the overall population, it is miniscule. There is enormous loyalty amongst the customers. Why would you do anything to endanger that? That to me is just madness. Regardless of the way, you guys see it, to not make this issue " front & center" to the community, but somehow still have the effort to tout sales with new copy and graphics daily, sends a message. I'm not sure why that isn't readily apparent. My sense is, that it is apparent, and that Daz has factored that in, and decided to discount that. I'm here to say, that's possibly a fatal mistake, but you're not really going to get confirmation of that , until it's too late.

  • 3dOutlaw3dOutlaw Posts: 2,481

    After living through some of the site upgrades of the past years, us old folks and Richard are like,

    "2 days and fixed?"

    cheeky

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    3dOutlaw said:

    After living through some of the site upgrades of the past years, us old folks and Richard are like,

    "2 days and fixed?"

    cheeky

    ikr laugh 

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,919
    edited October 2021
    3DOutlaw That sort-of implies DAZ's communication skills are stuck in the 1990's. Might be nice for the customers if DAZ could target the 2020's customer comms standards instead. I was one unaffected in 9 out of 10 downloads, but saw, and was unimpressed by, the total silence from DAZ. Very few surviving companies take that approach these days.
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  • MadaMada Posts: 2,022

    3dOutlaw said:

    After living through some of the site upgrades of the past years, us old folks and Richard are like,

    "2 days and fixed?"

    cheeky

    Fixed on a Sunday over a long weekend too - that's not bad at all :)

    I vote for using the sales banner popup to notify people of issues like this - not everyone uses the recent discussions filter to browse the forums - that will make it easy to find. 

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,161

    richardandtracy said:

    3DOutlaw That sort-of implies DAZ's communication skills are stuck in the 1990's. Might be nice for the customers if DAZ could target the 2020's customer comms standards instead. I was one unaffected in 9 out of 10 downloads, but saw, and was unimpressed by, the total silence from DAZ. Very few surviving companies take that approach these days.

    maybe intenet graphics companies but I've found most businesses have zero response policy anymore.  

  • solissolis Posts: 124

    daveso said:

    richardandtracy said:

    3DOutlaw That sort-of implies DAZ's communication skills are stuck in the 1990's. Might be nice for the customers if DAZ could target the 2020's customer comms standards instead. I was one unaffected in 9 out of 10 downloads, but saw, and was unimpressed by, the total silence from DAZ. Very few surviving companies take that approach these days.

    maybe intenet graphics companies but I've found most businesses have zero response policy anymore.  

    "Welcome aboard the Transparency Bandwagon folks! Our destination is ummm...errrr......."

  • There's also the DAZ blog. Certainly that would be a suitable place for status updates.  That said, thanks to DAZ_Jessica for her responses.

  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 1,929

    marble said:

    Jason Galterio said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    The Big Sur issue was acknowledged and a rough ETA for when they hoped to be able to offer a solution, at least for testing purposes, was given. Once there was more to share (the plan for a pre-beta version of DS, then the subsequent ability to make a 4.15.x.x version that worked) there were announcements. I understand that a lack of regular bulletins is frustrating, but if there is nothing of substance to add then bulletins too would rapidly become frustrating.

    Richsard, don't take this the wrong way. I am not saying this to diminish your efforts.

    You are a forum moderator. You're not officially DAZ. The wording of your status message implied that you have as much insight into the situation as the average customer. Things like "we've sent the info," "we were told that," and "when we have" do not reassure customers.

    The lack of a "DAZ" prefixed named commenting here gives the impression that things are indeed being left until Monday to be investigated.

    I'm not saying this to be an a-hole. I'm saying it so that DAZ can understand the perception they are creating.

    I've never had the impression that any official DAZ representative cares a jot about what is said on the forum. When one of them makes a rare appearance here, we are all full of gratitude for the crumbs of news that they allow us to peck at.  

    My guess is they're generally unaware that the forums exist, and they think everybody is reading the blog. 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,619
    edited October 2021

    I'm generally unaware the blog exists. But now that you mention it, they seem to have a lot of posts.

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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,967

    Torquinox said:

    I'm generally unaware the blog exists. But now that you mention it, they seem to have a lot of posts.

    Welcome in the modern World of non-communication, where "blogs" replace really communication with the customers and not having a smartphone might severely damage your everyday life, as now it seems to be EXPECTED for everyone having one of those mostly useless devices... despite all the security problems that arise when one uses it for vital data exchange.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    Torquinox said:

    I'm generally unaware the blog exists. But now that you mention it, they seem to have a lot of posts.

    Welcome in the modern World of non-communication, where "blogs" replace really communication with the customers and not having a smartphone might severely damage your everyday life, as now it seems to be EXPECTED for everyone having one of those mostly useless devices... despite all the security problems that arise when one uses it for vital data exchange.

    ???? What exactly is this "real communication" that you want to go back to? Oh no a blog? On the internet? Why aren't they sending it to my physical mailbox. Maybe they can call everyone with a prerecorded message about their upcoming seminar?

    Ok I'm being a bit snarky but seriously what are you actually requesting daz do here, and how do smart phones relate, because I do not get it.
  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,161

    j cade said:

    maikdecker said:

    Torquinox said:

    I'm generally unaware the blog exists. But now that you mention it, they seem to have a lot of posts.

    Welcome in the modern World of non-communication, where "blogs" replace really communication with the customers and not having a smartphone might severely damage your everyday life, as now it seems to be EXPECTED for everyone having one of those mostly useless devices... despite all the security problems that arise when one uses it for vital data exchange.

    ???? What exactly is this "real communication" that you want to go back to? Oh no a blog? On the internet? Why aren't they sending it to my physical mailbox. Maybe they can call everyone with a prerecorded message about their upcoming seminar?

     

    Ok I'm being a bit snarky but seriously what are you actually requesting daz do here, and how do smart phones relate, because I do not get it.

    simple- put a notice on their front page when you come here..or every page, no different than the banner ads ..it could be red or something ... Sorry, we're having problems with dopwnloads. simple 

  • Yeah J Cade,  OP  here. Yeah it was a bit snarky and not sure why, but my point was/is that DAZ does an incredibly poor job of communicating about major probelems with the website and or the software, and rather than post something on the front page of the store ( where most everyone can se it.) they say virtually nothing about it, for days on end and then they post something somewhere ( usually in the forums) that you have to scour in order to find some info. It's not like they even make a special attempt to make a Banner Headline in the Forum " menu".  I think that's pretty bad customer relationships. It's not like it's going to stay hidden forever because most of the problems are "global" for a lot of customers. But what it does do is make sure those problems don't interrupt sales. Eh!? Really? I find that thought process far more telling than maybe Daz wants it to be. Either A) it's a serious cash flow problem or B) they're not confident in the loyalty of their customer base. or C) something else. It feels massively counter-intuitive to approach these problems, with this strategy. It confuses people, makes them MORE angry and MORE impatient, and errodes loyalty when it seems like the relationship is a one way street. I am old enough to remember, that customer service use to be a " thing", especially in the infancy of the " Tech revolution". I also know, that customer loyalty is something that takes a long time to build up, is the backbone of your sales, and can be undone very quickly by moves that feel suspicious or dishonest. You lose somebody, like that, for good. Acting from a place of goodwill, as opposed to "perceived" self-interest goes a very long way. So however they want to send it ( semaphore, telegraph, smoke signal, fax machine, beeper notification etc etc.... you missed some in your snark.) I really don't care, as long as they conscientiously get it out to the community  at large.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    daveso said:

    j cade said:

    maikdecker said:

    Torquinox said:

    I'm generally unaware the blog exists. But now that you mention it, they seem to have a lot of posts.

    Welcome in the modern World of non-communication, where "blogs" replace really communication with the customers and not having a smartphone might severely damage your everyday life, as now it seems to be EXPECTED for everyone having one of those mostly useless devices... despite all the security problems that arise when one uses it for vital data exchange.

    ???? What exactly is this "real communication" that you want to go back to? Oh no a blog? On the internet? Why aren't they sending it to my physical mailbox. Maybe they can call everyone with a prerecorded message about their upcoming seminar?

     

    Ok I'm being a bit snarky but seriously what are you actually requesting daz do here, and how do smart phones relate, because I do not get it.

    simple- put a notice on their front page when you come here..or every page, no different than the banner ads ..it could be red or something ... Sorry, we're having problems with dopwnloads. simple 

    I have no disagreement with that I liked the suggestion of using the orange banner myself, I was just resonding specifically to what I was quoting that blogs somehow represent the degeneration of comunication.

     

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,309

    It would be better served if the DAZ developers updated DAZ Studio, DAZ Central, and DIM for giving us messages related to such technical failure events. Of course the same message could be a banner or footer on their web site too. Not a big deal if they don't as it's them making the money so you can bet they'll be fixing the problem(s).

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,161

    nonesuch00 said:

    It would be better served if the DAZ developers updated DAZ Studio, DAZ Central, and DIM for giving us messages related to such technical failure events. Of course the same message could be a banner or footer on their web site too. Not a big deal if they don't as it's them making the money so you can bet they'll be fixing the problem(s).

    exacty. plus me bing somewhat tired of it, I would not be thanking them too much for fixing the problems. They should be thanking us for holding on and still buying their products.  

  • RL_MediaRL_Media Posts: 339

    nonesuch00 said:

    It would be better served if the DAZ developers updated DAZ Studio, DAZ Central, and DIM for giving us messages related to such technical failure events. Of course the same message could be a banner or footer on their web site too. Not a big deal if they don't as it's them making the money so you can bet they'll be fixing the problem(s).

    I would rather not have that kinda thing built into studio..... 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,309

    RL_Media said:

    nonesuch00 said:

    It would be better served if the DAZ developers updated DAZ Studio, DAZ Central, and DIM for giving us messages related to such technical failure events. Of course the same message could be a banner or footer on their web site too. Not a big deal if they don't as it's them making the money so you can bet they'll be fixing the problem(s).

    I would rather not have that kinda thing built into studio..... 

    It already is essentially. Many hundreds of megabytes in messages are passed from DAZ's servers to your DAZ Studio, DAZ Central, and DIM install every time you start DAZ Studio. The more products you have bought from DAZ Studio, the more messages from DAZ 3D to your local copy of DAZ Studio, DIM, and DAZ Central that entails.

    The extra 100 words of a sentence or two informing a user once in a blue moon about a technical failure is nothing in comparison to the data already being received.

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