Would this be a descent PC spec for amature DAZ work?
the_assassin
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I need to get a new computer (my current one is woefully underpowered for doing anything with DAZ, and is starting to suffer hardware failure too).
Would this be a reasonable spec for amature DAZ use?
| Processor (CPU) | AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4) |
| Motherboard | GIGABYTE X570 GAMING X: ATX (USB 3.2 Gen 1, PCIe 4.0) - ARGB Ready! |
| Memory (RAM) | 16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2400MHz (2 x 8GB) |
| Graphics Card | 8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready! |
| 1st Storage Drive | 1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE |
| 1st M.2 SSD Drive | 1TB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3500MB/sR | 2500MB/sW) |
| DVD/BLU-RAY Drive | NOT REQUIRED |
| Power Supply | CORSAIR 450W CV SERIES™ CV-450 POWER SUPPLY |
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ehh, not so much IMO.
You should get as much Video and core RAM as possible and a SSD as I doubt your going to instlal Daz and content on the M.2. You could but that would be risky if your content ever outgrew its capacity.
I would try to find a card with at least a minimum of 11GB Ram. I'ld at least try and get 32 system RAM if not 64. The other stuff doesn't matter that much, if Daz is your primary focus on this machine. I prefer Intel, but have seen good things with the AMD Ryzen series.
The more VRAM, the better...but stick with RTX because Daz and Iray is no longer as friendly towards GTX. Also, I'd go with minium 32GB of system RAM.
What's wrong with putting Daz and content on the M.2?
Daz content is taking more and more space per item each year. I would reccomend dropping the M.2 down to a 500GB and bumping the HDD up to 4TB.
Also, you would do better in the long run getting a RTX 3060 12GB gpu instead of the RTX 3060ti 8GB. More VRAM is better than slightly faster render times. (If your scene overlows the VRAM the entire render drops to CPU only)
Like stated above bump your system RAM up to 32GB
Nothing if you can afford one big enough in addition to one you install your OS to. The 'benefits' will be minimal though due to the way DS loads content, especially characters into the scene.
You do not want to install your content, or anything else of 'value' to the same drive with your OS.
External 4TB USB drives are perfect (and affordable) for content and will last for a while when you are starting your DS hobby.
Apart from what JamesJAB said above about the size of content quickly becoming unsustainable for an M.2 drive, the performance increase of keeping your content on a faster drive has been show to be negligible, as I understand it.
If your asking for "decent," then then answer is yes its will be decent. Nothing will blow you out the water. My laptop is also rocking an RTX 2060 and it does the job. My desktop however has a 3090 (thanks to our government stimulus checks), and the difference is night and say. Although these days we don't have the luxury of getting whatever GPU we want at retail price, so I know how difficult it can be to want something better. Here is what some people I know are doing: they are getting a previous model like one you mentioned, then keeping it for a year, sell it, and move on to what will probably will the 4000 series as Nvidia GPUS usually come out every other year.
Not sure if his helps you but I figured it might be worth a shot as someone who also uses a 2060. You also might want to upgrade the PSU as 450 is a bit low especially when rendering. Best of luck friend.
anchor" in a couple years.
The standard 12 GB 3060 would be a better choice for working with Daz as it is the best price (well it was before the scalping began) for the most VRAM. It is comparable to the Maxwell and Pascal Titan-X series as it has the same VRAM about 500 more CUDA cores as well as he addition of Tensor compute and RT cores along with faster processor and memory. Core count is meaningless if you find yourself frequently running out of VRAM as then it dumps to the CPU.
I would also look at least at an 8 core/16 thread Ryzen 7 5800X. or a 7 5700G.
For system memory, I would say a minimum of 32 GB a motherboard with 4 DIMM slots as when you become more ambitious with scene creation you can step up to 64 GB by just adding two more (matching) 16 GB sticks System memory still comes into play when GPU rendering so if you run out even though you may have enough VRAM, the process will crash. . Also, don't skimp on the PSU that is the heart of the system. I would go with nothing less than 750W for a system with a standard 3060 particularly if you are considering expansion down the road. If your PSU fails it can take other components with it. (I had that happen but fortunately it was only a single small capacitor rather than the entire unit so nothing else was affected).
If you are into gaming than a 3080 or 3080 Ti would be preferable but you will also need a more "beefy" PSU (for either of those a minimum of 850 W instead of my suggestion above)
In my old system I have two SATA III SSDs, a 240 for the boot drive (I don't used Daz Connect) and 2 TB for my content library as well as another 2 TB HDD for general storage. SATA. SSDs have come down in price to where they are preferable to an HDD for general use (the 240 GB one cost me something like 27$). For the Content library, I would go with at least 2 TB as it gives you room to grow your content library (mine is already exceeds 1 TB by about 300 GB).
I would definitely second more system memory, honestly I have a way easier time fitting scenes into 6gb vram than dealing with 16gb memory.
also it might be useful if you mention what sort of scenes you tend to render - if you mostly render single characters you have less to wory about with vram If your goal is to render 10 characters at once with no optimization... good luck
Decent? No.
Useable? Mostly.
It's good, but not great. You should try for a RTX 3060 TI 8GB or RTX 3060 12GB and it will be great for DAZ renders, but if the RTX 2060 you have now configured is coming to you at a large discount it's still very good. People were swooning about RTX 2060 and other RTX 2000 series cards up until last Aug 2020.
For the VRAMM thing people talk about: that's really more a matter of the complexity of your renders than whether it's "professional" or not.
If you plan to have only one, maybe two figures in a render, then you could easily get away with just 6GB VRAMM.
If you plan to make scenes with lots of figures (groups, but also things like a dozen pedestrians in a street-scene), you'll probably want more.
Props can also require a ton of VRAMM. The more stuff you put in your scene, the more textures need to be loaded into your VRAMM. The amount of polygons also has some effect on VRAMM usage, but textures are generally a much bigger issue.
There are some tricks to put more into your scene and stay within the limitations of your particular graphics card: downsizing textures or even removing some of them entirely and just colouring an asset go a long way. Instancing objects which you use multiple times (great for trees, walls and floors) is another. There are several tools in store to help you do some of these tasks, but you can do them manually. Both professionals and amateurs run into this same problem.
For professionals, it might be more interesting to get a graphicscard that can render 10 figures at once out-of-the-box. But then, professionals will also be the ones more inclined to tweak textures on assets anyway, to better suit their needs, and either up- or downsize them as they see fit whille they're at it anyway. A vase that's always in the background, no matter how nice it looks up close, won't need a 1024x1024 texture when it rarely covers more than a 200x200 pixels area on any render, so while they edit a texture set for such a vase to make it blue instead of red, they'd probably downsize it to 512x512 as well, saving 75% of the texture resources it took before. Doing that for all the assets and props in a scene adds up really quick, allowing for more complex scenes even on smaller graphics cards.
Your content will very soon fill up that drive. Installing the software on it is fine, but I'd install the content on a separate drive. And I agree with everyone else. As much system and graphics ram as you can afford. :)
Assasin...
What is your budget?
450W Power supply is too low. The minimum requirement listed for that GPU is 550W.
I agree with what most people have said.
When it comes to DAZ for me the most important thing is GPU and RAM, especially if you are planning on using Iray (I render only using Iray and use Iray preview regularly on the Aux/viewport). Also, if you want to build your PC with some longevity (future proof) I'd recommend the following:
CPU: I don't know much about this, but i believe most of DAZ functionality or processes are single core. I'm not sure about rendering either when using CPU, but I think it does uses multiple cores (I have CPU deactivaited for rendering) <--- take this with a grain of salt, I'm not certain this is accurate.. So long it doesn't bottleneck your GPU then you are good. There is a website (I can't remember the name) where you can check your CPU, your GPU and the screen resolution and it will tell you whether your CPU will bottleneck your GPU or not.
RAM: 32 GB at least
GPU with a VRAM of 10GB at least... get the latest RTX 30XX series
PSU: 750 watts 80 plus gold
Motherboard: I haven't check your motherboard, but make sure it has enough SATA ports so you can expand your storage capability
Storage: IMO just get a SSD for your OS and main apps (e.g. Microsoft Office, Photoshop/GIMP, DAZ Studio). I'd put everything else on a HDD. I have one 1T HDD and one 3T HDD and they're almost at full capacity. So yeah investing on a 4T HDD is wiser than a faster, yetexpensive and lower storage capacity of an M.2 SSD.
Of course it all depends on your budget
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That power supply is woefully inadequate. Beyond that, the rest may or may not be adequate depending on what all you're doing with Daz(how big/demanding your scenes are), and how much growth is needed in regards to your system specs over time. If this is a pre-built cookie cutter system, I would steer clear of it unless it has the capability to be upgraded later on down the road. You don't want to buy one of these systems and then have to buy a whole new system 2-3 years later due to not being able to add upgrades(additional graphics card, hard drive, etc.). Imo, a common mistake made by some consumers is they cheap out too much and buy cookie cutter desktops(i.e. Dell) or any system that meets just their current needs with no thought given to upgrades only to find out a year or so later that they can't upgrade/add additional components to it so they have to buy a whole new system, again, and so soon. In the long run, it ends up costing more money.
If you're doing Iray rendering, I would make sure that the system you get is upgradeable to 128 Gb RAM, has 2-3 slots on the motherboard for graphics cards, and that the case has ample room for larger power supplies & graphics cards.
Just built my return to Daz machine today, and downloading it through DIM as I type.
2TB of various M.2 as the Z590 Aorus has a Gen 4 and two Gen 3: Not a sniff of a power cable or sata cable with these 3 x m.2 for now.
- 500 GB Gen 4 Aorus M.2 for OS and programs,
- 500 GB and a 1 TB Gen 3 M.2.
And on the visual side a VERY cheap brand of 32" 2K monitor so my vertical is 1440. Rejected 4K as heat stress and overhead for the RTX 3060.
Will take bulk drives out of my other machines eventually to populate a NAS as I downgrade them to "render farm"