is it white and gold or Blue and black and can Ghastly make it?

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  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    edited December 1969

    Don't be to quick to assume the fault is with computers. The whole thing reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G-lN8vWm3m0#t=32

    and this http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/but-did-you-see-the-gorilla-the-problem-with-inattentional-blindness-17339778/?no-ist

    On the photo the first time I saw it it looked white and gold, scrolled down the page, scrolled up and it looked blue and black. Neither my head nor the screen moved in the interim. I had however been shown evidence that the dress was indeed blue.

  • Scott LivingstonScott Livingston Posts: 4,344
    edited December 1969

    lee_lhs said:
    My colleagues and I looked at that image yesterday. We all looked at it from the same angle, on the same screen. Most of them saw black-blue, the others gold-white, or organge white. Some saw brown-blue.
    We had a good discussion afterwards. :-)
    If something came out of it, this image opens the eyes about how much we see our view of the world as "granted". It's not, and that was a nice reminder. :-)

    That's where my mind ultimately went with this, too:

    How many things in life do we see as white and gold, when they're really blue and black?

  • ioyo2000-vpioyo2000-vp Posts: 10
    edited February 2015

    Spit said:
    What drives me nuts about this is that so-called 'experts' are saying it is our brains and our perceptions. Not really. It's an overexposed pic, it's our screens. It's brightness, contrast, and gamma ... People are going nuts out there because they think what they see on their digital screens is reality.

    @Spit:

    If you built two robots, and the two robots looked at the same picture, and each robot saw the picture differently, would you not conclude there was some difference in your robots' vision system?

    Now, why do you tell me that when it's people, the problem is the picture?

    Digital or not, when two people see an identical picture differently, the only logical conclusion is that the eye/brain system isn't consistent across humans - and that means no two people are guaranteed to see everything identically. Obviously we have things in common: We all see the cars or we couldn't cross roads, but this is an example of the differences and it's causing people to freak out.

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  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    It's still ugly...

  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401
    edited December 1969

    Greetings,

    icprncss said:
    It's still ugly...
    Oh, there are VASTLY worse examples of the modiste's trade sold here on this site than that! ;)

    When my partner asked me what color I thought it was, it hadn't become a 'thing' yet. I commented that it was white and a tannish light brown, but that it was reflecting a blue light source like a TV or something, and I was consciously color correcting that to white.

    She explained the controversy to me, scrolled back up, and while I could still see the brown-ish color that is supposedly black, it was darker than what I had remembered and I was completely no longer able to 'color correct' the hue to white.

    Normally I would have attributed it to un-color-corrected monitors, operating systems, etc., and those may play a role in some cases, but on the same system, with a few minutes and a conversation in between, I saw what I identify as different colors. I think it's a cool demonstration of how much 'context' plays a role in our vision.

    -- Morgan

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    edited December 1969

    Spit said:
    What drives me nuts about this is that so-called 'experts' are saying it is our brains and our perceptions. Not really. It's an overexposed pic, it's our screens. It's brightness, contrast, and gamma ... People are going nuts out there because they think what they see on their digital screens is reality.

    @Spit:

    If you built two robots, and the two robots looked at the same picture, and each robot saw the picture differently, would you not conclude there was some difference in your robots' vision system?

    Now, why do you tell me that when it's people, the problem is the picture?

    Digital or not, when two people see an identical picture differently, the only logical conclusion is that the eye/brain system isn't consistent across humans - and that means no two people are guaranteed to see everything identically. Obviously we have things in common: We all see the cars or we couldn't cross roads, but this is an example of the differences and it's causing people to freak out.

    What you say is true, but this is not a good example of it because this image will look different on different screens. As for the human end it's more sociology than physiology in this case. Gathered around the monitor they're discussing the issue and the perceptions are based on the discussion and what they think they see rather than what they actually see. Everybody looks at the dress and not the background. And which photo are they seeing? The original? or one of the now dozens of photoshopped ones? And the photoshopping itself shows the real issue.

  • ChangelingChickChangelingChick Posts: 3,250
    edited December 1969

    Spit said:
    Spit said:
    What drives me nuts about this is that so-called 'experts' are saying it is our brains and our perceptions. Not really. It's an overexposed pic, it's our screens. It's brightness, contrast, and gamma ... People are going nuts out there because they think what they see on their digital screens is reality.

    @Spit:

    If you built two robots, and the two robots looked at the same picture, and each robot saw the picture differently, would you not conclude there was some difference in your robots' vision system?

    Now, why do you tell me that when it's people, the problem is the picture?

    Digital or not, when two people see an identical picture differently, the only logical conclusion is that the eye/brain system isn't consistent across humans - and that means no two people are guaranteed to see everything identically. Obviously we have things in common: We all see the cars or we couldn't cross roads, but this is an example of the differences and it's causing people to freak out.

    What you say is true, but this is not a good example of it because this image will look different on different screens. As for the human end it's more sociology than physiology in this case. Gathered around the monitor they're discussing the issue and the perceptions are based on the discussion and what they think they see rather than what they actually see. Everybody looks at the dress and not the background. And which photo are they seeing? The original? or one of the now dozens of photoshopped ones? And the photoshopping itself shows the real issue.

    Well, there is proof humans do differ physiologically in the number and types of cones in their eyes, so there is a definite difference in the way individuals will perceive things. One example of this is tetrachromancy. Most people are trichromats and see the "normal" range of colors. Tetrachromats have a 4th cone type and can see more colors than the average person.

    In my family, we all looked at the photo on the same screen-- my iPhone. I saw light blue and brown (which I interpreted as a badly lit white and gold dress). My husband *saw* blue and black. No matter the angle he looked or what else he looked at, he couldn't see white and gold. I even photoshopped a good picture of the dress overlapping the bad one, and he could barely see a difference. Both my parents were the same (both near 70). My 2 yr old daughter said the same (which is interesting to me, because a 2 yr old's eyes aren't fully developed yet). My 5 yr old son was the last I asked, and he said light blue and brown. None of them had seen the talk about it on the internet. All of them saw it on the same screen. None of them heard the others' answers. I didn't even give them color combo options, just "What color is this dress?" All of them looked at me like I was nuts, gave me a "Duh!" look and gave me their answers.

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,509
    edited December 1969

    I could probably make it if I had a full picture of the dress. Although this sort of outfit is probably more up Wilmap's alley.

    The original dress: http://www.romanoriginals.co.uk/invt/70931?colour=Royal-Blue . And yes, ugly or not - I would like it too if you or Wilmap made it. It gained something like - ahem - historical relevance... OMG ;-)
  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066
    edited December 1969

    I can't believe this is still in the news. Run the suspect areas through Photoshop or GIMP and look at what colors make up that area.
    Color is subjective in human eyes, but calibrated devices using quality software should give a uniform interpretation.
    It's a crappy overexposed photo. The dress is really black and cobalt blue.
    The real question should be "what's wrong with this picture?"
    I could understand if that was a really good photo, but people are blaming it more on the human eye and mind than a crap camera.
    Imagine if the dress was bright red with tiny holographic Mylar glitter... Most likely it would appear mostly white or yellow with green bands or spots.
    The same occurs with cars with metallic paint jobs. Try taking a close up photo, even with a good camera of an area in imperfect lighting and see if it looks like the actual color.

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