DAZ Studio 4.16 Features / Fixes?
vonHobo
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Apart from Meta Mixer which I don't plan to use, are there any major new features for DAZ Studio 4.16?
The Change Log that I was directed to really doesn't provide any details that I can see.
Shouldn't there be a highlight or page on a major new release that explains everything in layman's terms?
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From what I understand the 4.16.0 general release is basically the latest 4.15 general release + support for meta mixer.
See https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/533176/daz-studio-pro-4-16-0-x-highlights
Really? They are highlights?
It can be for some people. You can't please everyone on everything or antisapate what is wanted or needed. An improvmant to something may be important to one person and not another because they don't utilize that feature
You only have to follow this forum to know what is important to most of us. IMHO, things that have been requested for years (IK, animation improvements, physics, an Eevee equivalent ... to name a few) have been ignored and things that nobody wants (NFT???) have been priorotised. It is just a cop out to say "Oh well, we can't please everyone". That's a meaningless platitude.
"You only have to follow this forum to know what is important to most of us. IMHO, things that have been requested for years (IK, animation improvements, physics, an Eevee equivalent ... to name a few) have been ignored and things that nobody wants (NFT???) have been priorotised. It is just a cop out to say "Oh well, we can't please everyone". That's a meaningless platitude."
+1. Exactly!
Right now, the main (desktop) page is advertising Daz Studio as an animation package. Yet none of the images show characters interacting with the environment, because then it'd reveal the program is lacking basic industry-standard IK tools, and is thus useless for animation or complex posing.
This isn't about "anticipating what is wanted or needed", it's about the program not being fit for purpose. Unless something helps the program reach a bare minimum of parity with Blender, iClone, Maya, etc., then it's not much of a highlight.
Come on, is it really that hard to develope a proper IK system? How many years we have been waiting for something like that?
Or maybe no one at Daz really has an animation background that understands how a rig should work and interact. I've already decided that if Daz 5 doesn't fix the IK and make the program a viable solution for animation, I'm going to completely move on to another program. I do animate in Blender already at times, but I still like to use Daz for some projects because of the power pose tool, but I'm taking classes through Animation Mentor now and I'm seeing seeing how bad the rig truly is in Daz and it's getting harder and harder to defend the program in it's current state for animation.
For people that have been around for several years one could tell you and would know that Daz doesn't follow the forums hardly at all, and if you want to speak or suggest fixes, improvements, or features you must file a request with each version. The same with bug reports. Everyone like to state their complains in the forums but maybe 10% file tickets. No amount of forums posts is going to get things changed regardless of how loud it is. Not everyone shares your ideals of what DS "should be" People have their own priorities and they definitely aren't shared amongst everyone. Just because one person yells another may be happy, idk, but seems pretty logical and basic common sense to me. Facts are, DS is improving on a rate that no other "free" program and they will get to things eventually but some changes require complete overhauls of how DS is build and programmed and then you would have those complaining about the those changes. It's a no win situation for Daz. I don't know what Daz does or schedules when, we aren't privy to Daz's interworking. We may know a very tiny fraction more than you do and then what we know is then announced in the forums the next day. But I just use common sense compared to how we run businesses and apply it to a brokerage like Daz and Rendo.
...I used to submit tickets and make suggestions when we still had the old bug tracker software as all cases were open to view .Now you submit a ticket and it goes behind closed doors.
Years ago if you had the same issue as someone else you cold append your name to a ticket on the same matter posted by someone else.. You could also track the progress on tickets while now you just have to blindly sit and wait for a response.
And this is exactly why so few log tickets. I have indeed been around for years - since 2005 if memory serves - and I have logged tickets only to see them disappear into a black hole. As someone who was in tech support for most of my career (I'm retired now), I can say that I would have been fired if I had shown the same lack of response to those who took the trouble to log support calls. Even something as simple as the disappearing mouse cursor (one of those I did log) has been ignored for years and is still a bug to this day.
Sales tickets are dealt with reasonably quickly and feedback is forthcoming. Not so with support tickets - I never know what happened to my tickets so we all just have to hope that someone is actually reading them.
I put a support ticket in recently and actually got a semi-prompt reply, a follow-up, and updated products in relatively short order. But since my ticket was mainly just "These figures don't have an ERC Multiply, please fix." it was fairly trivial, so I guess the complexity and reproducibility matters.
When it is a problem with a PA product, I tend to log it with Sales Support where I am usually given the option of a refund or help from support. If I take the support option the responses are still logged against the original sales ticket. Conversely, if the problem is with DAZ Studio, then I log a support ticket and generally get an initial response followed by silence.
And this response then often takes ages or you get none at all, and if you even get one it does not even fit your request as if some indian sweat shop hotline worker answered it and they have no clue other than "tell them we are aware and working on it."
I have not bothered to do this in years because it never goes anywhere. My last idea I posted on the forums, but I knew I should have not even bothered to post it since noone really cares at daz. Time to finally rig my own figure and stay in the software I want to work with instead of hoping for them to finally get their act together. It simply won't happen, and I should have figured that out years ago. Gave them the benefit of the doubt, when they announced they wanted to take a year to iron out issues with DS and focus on improving it, instead of putting out new figures, and yeah I believe this is now 2 or 3 years since then and what did they do? New graphics for powerpose pane and they even broke the old template system? Well, thanks for improving DS ! :)
That is supposed to have been fixed in one of the latest betas (never tried it) which was released before 4.16, but 4.16 still has the problem.
...crikey I remember that in 1.8.
I will be deleting my public beta (when I finish my stable release build 4.11 iray render) and replacing it with the zip I saved of 4.15 so I can use Filament too again.
Seems to me like a list of bugfixes, not new features... but that's probably just a different opinion for naming conventions...