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Hi, Would the below computer be OK to render image files for animations with DAZ Studio? Cheers
Dell OptiPlex with:
Intel i7 Quad Core 3.40 GHz / 3.80 GHz Max Turbo
Memory: 32GB Ram
Storage: 1TB SSD + 500GB HDD.
Connectivart: Lan Card + AC WiFi + Bluetooth
Video card: ROG-STRIX-RX580-T8G-GAMING with the below specs:
Processor frequency: 1411 MHz.
Memory: 8GB ,
Memory type: GDDR5
Memory bus: 256 bit.
Maximum resolution: 7680 x 4320 pixels
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Everything is fine, except the video card.
You can render on CPU with that computer, but will need an Nvidia GPU for iray to use for the speed boost.
The best for the money right now is the 12GB RTX 3060, if you can get one.
No, not unless & until the Reality (LuxCoreRender) plugin is updated to work with DAZ Studio. So as that's just a spare time endeavor of a couple of folk, I have to say it won't, until it actually is completed & released, which would likely be a wait of a few months minimum.
Also, unfortunately it is the case that GPU rendering for all non-NAVI RDNA2 GPUs was broken in the newest version of Blender too, or rather openCL was outright removed from Blender rather than broken, but you can still use the early versions of Blender 2.9.3 to render using openCL for AMD GPUs. So then you could technically export all the DAZ products for a scene you want to make to Blender using Diffeomorphic (see this thread Diffeomorphic DAZ Importer version 1.6.0 released - Page 5 - Daz 3D Forums) and the in the process of learning to do that, learn a lot about DAZ 3D, Blender, Diffeomorphic, 3D in general, and shader materials).
The AMD GPU wouldn't be used, but can certainly render on CPU.
I did for years when I had an all AMD computer.
Still happens today even though I have an RTX card.
Some of my scenes can hit 80GB+.
Nobody has a GPU with enough VRAM to cover that ,,,yet.
It's slower than GPU, but if that's what you got then that is what you have to work with.
,..and that is where more CPU cores/threads come into play a 12 core Ryzen 9 5900X will render circles around a quad core in CPU..
In my old system I replaced the 4 core i7 930 with a 6 core Xeon 5660 (same clock speed) and even that made a difference.
My concern wth Dell (and HP) is that they often use proprietary OEM components that can make future upgrading difficult.
Dell Optiplex systems are generally marketed for business rather than gaming or graphics use.
IMO Dellsare pretty much for general use and not anything labor intense that will push the system. If it does push it breaks down. I went through 3 motherboards trying to use it just for modeling. I then had to buy another off the shelf PC and that was a gateway and 2 motherboards, 1 HHD and 3 GPU's later, luckily all covered under warranty. Since then I have custom Systems built and refuse to buy off the shelf. I can usually get 1.5-2 x better system for $250+/- $50 more. The place I was getting them from now sells prebuilt systems and they started another company but starting charging more so went with the company I sue now. My next system is gonna cost me about $4200 but It will be huge. I'm actually considering building it myself and save myself about $500
Yes, I can CPU render a 2K scene on my AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (8 cores - 16 hyperthreads) in 2 - 4 hours at 95% Quality Convergence at a Render Quality of 1 (out of 1 - 5) unless it contains a lot of volumetrics like clouds & such.
...to the OP, where did you find this system? I checked Dell's site an all of the newer versions of the Optiplex have just Intel integrated graphics (though there are PCIe x16 slots. on the MB, which is a Dell OEM MB, where one can be installed but it would also require an upgrade to at minimum, a 450w PSU (I'd go with at least 600w). The CPU sounds like a 4th generation i7 4770 that has 4 cores 8 threads and abase clock of 3.4 GHz so this makes me wonder if it isn't an older customised system that was refurbished.
It is an older customized refurbished computer I got cheap. I am going to add an NVIDIA RTX 3060 to it! Cheers
...definitely check the power supply For a 3060 12 GB, at minimum a 450w PSU is suggested (and again I'd go a little higher than that at least 550w - 600w just to have a bit of overhead).
The one downside of such a system is it is "legacy" tech and thus will be more limited For example, most likely 32 GB of system memory is the limit the MB supports so there would be no upgrading there. That can be an issue if you start getting more ambitious with creating scenes Yeah I should talk as I'm still working on a system built on an X58 MB with 24 GB of DDR3 that refuses to acknowledge the 3060 I recently purchased as I'm not fond of the fix Nvidia did to emulate RTX performance in older GPUs which takes up a noticeable amount of VRAM. While save for an HDD and PSU failure, it has been admirably soldiering on over the last 9 or so years, though this was a total DIY build . so I knew all he components I was getting as like I mentioned prebuilts from companies like Dell and HP often use "in house OEMs" which are not always the best quality.
The upgrade I mentioned in the posts above won't be for a while yet as I need to scrape up the funds to do it (on a fixed pension income).
You won't regret it. I swapped my AMD video card for an Nvidia RTX3060 earlier this year and it completely transformed my renders. I would also recommend getting "Scene Optimiser" from the DAZ store. It will help keep your scenes below 12 GB (if they go over 12 GB on that card they will drop back to the CPU).
Many thanks for your replies. This Is actually a third computer I will be adding to my workflow. (forgetting my Laptop) I managed to pick it up cheap. I have two other dedicated NVIDIA computers one has 128 gigs of RAM and an NVIDIA RTX 3060 Graphics Card. The other computer has 64 Gigs of RAM and an NVIDIA GTX GE Force 1660 TI. Cheers
..ah so you have sort of a network. I thought this was to be your primary Daz system.
Really would love 128 GB (once you got your hands on a 3090 that would be the system to put it in and transfer the 3060 to the 64 GB system). .
My upgrade provides for 128 GB just starting with 64 (2 x 32 GB leaving two slots open) for budget reasons.
Minor nitpick.
System ram utilization is often orders of magnitude higher than vram utilization.
As for GPUS with 80GB, they exist.
The A100 from nvidia, 80GB of Vram.
It's just a bit 'pricey' at $12k.
..and it's NVLink compatible so 160 GB of VRAM, thats' almost a render farm in two cards..