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How to Dress Women who are not young Sexy girls, if the Majority of clothes is aimed at sexy?

nokoteb99nokoteb99 Posts: 931
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The Majority of clothes is kind of aimed at Sexy women. Honestly i haven't seen anything for like middle aged old women who are not fashionable or anything.

I'm making some NPCs for my game using daz characters and i cant seem to find what to dreess them with, all i have is hot skirts, club dresses, hot dresses cause that's all i got cause that's all i find in Renderosity and daz . And the things that are like gardening cltohes that came with daz i think, were so cheap they creeate poke through so easy when sent to Unity via DTU bridge, so that's why i can't use those.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,120
    edited December 2021

    nokoteb99 said:

    The Majority of clothes is kind of aimed at Sexy women. Honestly i haven't seen anything for like middle aged old women who are not fashionable or anything.

    I'm making some NPCs for my game using daz characters and i cant seem to find what to dreess them with, all i have is hot skirts, club dresses, hot dresses cause that's all i got cause that's all i find in Renderosity and daz . And the things that are like gardening cltohes that came with daz i think, were so cheap they creeate poke through so easy when sent to Unity via DTU bridge, so that's why i can't use those.

    You mostly have to resort to using period women's outfits from the 20's, 30's, 40s, 50s, & 60s. There is quite a bit of that for Victoria 4 & Genesis, with lesser amounts for Genesis 2, Genesis 3, Genesis 8, & Genesis 8.1. 

    The good news is most of the the women's (and mens' if you're not trying to dress up a viking or Conan type character) clothing products for Victoria 4/Michael 4 & Genesis is DAZ+ (was PC+) and costs $1.99 per product if you are in the DAZ+ Club.

    To use you just fit to load a Genesis base character, add each clothing piece & answer the autofit dialogue if it was a Victoria 4/Michael 4 clothing piece originally, load a base Genesis 2 character, change the clothing pieces you fitted on the base Genesis character to the base Genesis 2 character (by using parent in the Scene tab for a particular item of clothing and then choosing from autofit popup dialogue the version of the base Genesis character that it was already fitted to when prompted (could be Victoria 4, Michael 4, Genesis, Genesis 2 Female, Genesis 2 Male, Genesis 3 Female, Genesis 3 Male, Genesis 8 Female, Genesis 8 Male, Genesis 8.1 Female, or Genesis 8.1 Male), and then you load a base Genesis 3 character and again in the scene tab choose the item of clothing you want to refit currently fitted on a base Genesis 2 character and parent it to the base Genesis 3 character, and repeat the process all the way to the base Genesis 8.1 character and then applyt the morph dials for the particular Genesis 8.1 character you intend to use (technically you can use that character instead of the base Genesis 8.1 character and similarly for the earlier versions of Genesis).

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    nonesuch00 said:

    nokoteb99 said:

    The Majority of clothes is kind of aimed at Sexy women. Honestly i haven't seen anything for like middle aged old women who are not fashionable or anything.

    I'm making some NPCs for my game using daz characters and i cant seem to find what to dreess them with, all i have is hot skirts, club dresses, hot dresses cause that's all i got cause that's all i find in Renderosity and daz . And the things that are like gardening cltohes that came with daz i think, were so cheap they creeate poke through so easy when sent to Unity via DTU bridge, so that's why i can't use those.

    You mostly have to resort to using period women's outfits from the 20's, 30's, 40s, 50s, & 60s. There is quite a bit of that for Victoria 4 & Genesis, with lesser amounts for Genesis 2, Genesis 3, Genesis 8, & Genesis 8.1. 

    The good news is most of the the women's (and mens' if you're not trying to dress up a viking or Conan type character) clothing products for Victoria 4/Michael 4 & Genesis is DAZ+ (was PC+) and costs $1.99 per product if you are in the DAZ+ Club.

    To use you just fit to load a Genesis base character, add each clothing piece & answer the autofit dialogue if it was a Victoria 4/Michael 4 clothing piece originally, load a base Genesis 2 character, change the clothing pieces you fitted on the base Genesis character to the base Genesis 2 character (by using parent in the Scene tab for a particular item of clothing and then choosing from autofit popup dialogue the version of the base Genesis character that it was already fitted to when prompted (could be Victoria 4, Michael 4, Genesis, Genesis 2 Female, Genesis 2 Male, Genesis 3 Female, Genesis 3 Male, Genesis 8 Female, Genesis 8 Male, Genesis 8.1 Female, or Genesis 8.1 Male), and then you load a base Genesis 3 character and again in the scene tab choose the item of clothing you want to refit currently fitted on a base Genesis 2 character and parent it to the base Genesis 3 character, and repeat the process all the way to the base Genesis 8.1 character and then applyt the morph dials for the particular Genesis 8.1 character you intend to use (technically you can use that character instead of the base Genesis 8.1 character and similarly for the earlier versions of Genesis).

    Genesis 8 Starter Essentials has clones for all the previous generations of Genesis figures, no need to go through all the generations in between.
    Genesis 8.1 is the same as Genesis 8 when it comes to wearables, so when you get the clothing fitted to Genesis first, you can skip all the intermediate generations and fit it to Genesis 8 next.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,042
    edited December 2021

    ..be careful of using Gen4 clothing on G3 or G8 just with autofit.  Even with the clones, I sometimes find there are mesh distortions that affect the texture maps as well.. 

    I often have to resort to older clothing styles as well for young and pre teen characters.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,120

    kyoto kid said:

    ..be careful of using Gen4 clothing on G3 or G8 just with autofit.  Even with the clones, I sometimes find there are mesh distortions that affect the texture maps as well.. 

    I often have to resort to older clothing styles as well for young and pre teen characters.

    I have found in the past that doing the fits for each Genesis generation successively gets me better results. However, if the OP wants to buy SickleYield's clones I like the way they work or also, and this one is free, all the clones that Catherine made. 

    Can anyone post the link to Catherine's clones? They work really well & come in both T-pose & Y-pose versions where relevant. 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,120

    Here are Catherine's clones and they are free: Auto-fit Clones - Genesis through to G8 - Reup - Page 2 - Daz 3D Forums

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    I follow Sickleyields excellent tutorial ...

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,742
    edited December 2021

    You have to poke around a bit, but there's actually some quite nice contemporar stuff for 'normal' and older women. Like these:

    https://www.daz3d.com/frida-character-clothing-and-hair-bundle

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-sunday-best-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-collection-03--boho-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/mabel-8-starter-bundle

    Also, you can use a lot of the more cleavage-y tops if you insert something underneath to make them less sexy - geoshells can help with that: https://www.daz3d.com/sexy-skinz--modesty (weird product name for what it does, but well ...).

    Edited to fix third link

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  • Sci Fi FunkSci Fi Funk Posts: 1,198

    I often need normal/everyday looking women in my productions. So here are some ideas for non-sexy women ...

    1. Mix and match between outfits. So the top is sexy but the skirt no so much, ditch the top. Find a plain one. (agree on previous comments period costume from the last century is fine)

    2. Use mesh grabber to sag the clothing. Make it look old in shape. Saggy cardigans are great at being completely non-sexy.

    3. Change the shaders to plain clothing. Also I've never done this, but could Look at my hair be used to add just a tiny bit of hair to the saggy cardigan? Anything to make the garment look worn. I used to use Rag-erator with my V4s. Not sure if it still works, but I have a need for Victorian poor people clothing in an upcoming production, so that will come in handy if it still does.

    4. Use aged UVs to give the skin features. I use Sydney 8's skin a lot. Of course no make up.

    5. Use morphs to put curves in the wrong places.

    6. There are a number of mega wardrobe clothing sets that have fairly plain items in them. Good for mixing and matching.

    7. Make the fit a little looser. Tone down her features in the clothing with breast smoothers and decrackifiers. The clothing will look more realistic too.

    Best of luck.

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 908

    Personally I love sexy, scantilly clad ladies and am very attracted to them. BUT when trying to recreate a realistic scene of everday life I too find the lack of everyday casual clothing for the ordinary personal appalling. There is no shortage of warrior, knight, fairy, bikinis, halter tops, lingerie, etc clothing. But nothing for the ordinary Joe or Jane. And this is not unique to Daz, other competing Daz content sites have this trait as well.

    It needs to stop. We need more clothing for ordinary people and average day to day situations.

    And on that note the lack of any ice hockey props is very disturbing. Yes I have the hockey props for M4 but come on, they are too dated!

    Many warm cheers and Seasons Greetings to ALL...

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 908

    nonesuch00 said:

    nokoteb99 said:

    The Majority of clothes is kind of aimed at Sexy women. Honestly i haven't seen anything for like middle aged old women who are not fashionable or anything.

    I'm making some NPCs for my game using daz characters and i cant seem to find what to dreess them with, all i have is hot skirts, club dresses, hot dresses cause that's all i got cause that's all i find in Renderosity and daz . And the things that are like gardening cltohes that came with daz i think, were so cheap they creeate poke through so easy when sent to Unity via DTU bridge, so that's why i can't use those.

    You mostly have to resort to using period women's outfits from the 20's, 30's, 40s, 50s, & 60s. There is quite a bit of that for Victoria 4 & Genesis, with lesser amounts for Genesis 2, Genesis 3, Genesis 8, & Genesis 8.1. 

    The good news is most of the the women's (and mens' if you're not trying to dress up a viking or Conan type character) clothing products for Victoria 4/Michael 4 & Genesis is DAZ+ (was PC+) and costs $1.99 per product if you are in the DAZ+ Club.

    To use you just fit to load a Genesis base character, add each clothing piece & answer the autofit dialogue if it was a Victoria 4/Michael 4 clothing piece originally, load a base Genesis 2 character, change the clothing pieces you fitted on the base Genesis character to the base Genesis 2 character (by using parent in the Scene tab for a particular item of clothing and then choosing from autofit popup dialogue the version of the base Genesis character that it was already fitted to when prompted (could be Victoria 4, Michael 4, Genesis, Genesis 2 Female, Genesis 2 Male, Genesis 3 Female, Genesis 3 Male, Genesis 8 Female, Genesis 8 Male, Genesis 8.1 Female, or Genesis 8.1 Male), and then you load a base Genesis 3 character and again in the scene tab choose the item of clothing you want to refit currently fitted on a base Genesis 2 character and parent it to the base Genesis 3 character, and repeat the process all the way to the base Genesis 8.1 character and then applyt the morph dials for the particular Genesis 8.1 character you intend to use (technically you can use that character instead of the base Genesis 8.1 character and similarly for the earlier versions of Genesis).

    Sounds like a great tip and work around. Is there anything similar that would work with using a M4 or V4 or Genesis pose with a later Genesis character?

     

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,695

    A few ideas of products with pieces which could be used for older women (trade the short skirts or skin-tight pants for loose pants or long skirts, and the spike heels for more sensible shoes)

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-seasonal-essence-for-genesis-8-81-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-mabel-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-nainai-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-sunday-best-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc-pleated-skirt-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-margita-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-leisure-wear-pajamas-for-genesis-8 (change the textures and that works as a basic casual outfit too)

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-flared-layer-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-schoolmarm-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s

    Shirt from https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-late-spring-outfit-for-genesis-8-female

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-maternity-dress-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/uniform-dress-for-genesis-3-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/beach-caftan-for-genesis-8-and-81-females (looks great as a tunic over a long sleeves shirt and pants)

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-collection-01--casual-pants--blouse-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-all-seasons-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-nostalgia-dress-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/casual-tourist-for-genesis-3-female-s (with a basic t-shirt rather than a tank top)

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-shoofly-sleuth-outfit-for-genesis-81-females

    Pants from this: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-wide-leg-pants-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-audacious-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hc-long-skirt-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-elyse-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc-short-sleeve-shirt-dress-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/hc-dforce-housewear-outfit-a-for-genesis-8-females

    Cardigans: 

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-preppy-girl-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/everyday-01-dforce-clothing-set-for-genesis-8-female

    https://www.daz3d.com/fall-wardrobe-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-courtney-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/cardigan-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s
     

     

     

  • Sci Fi FunkSci Fi Funk Posts: 1,198

    @Leana Thank you for posting this list. I found a few more items I'd not come across to expand my own "sensible" library. My fav find of yours was the Margrita outfit. A classic look that can work in a number of situations.

  • Matt_BrownMatt_Brown Posts: 176
    edited December 2021

    For shoes these are good https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-pumps-for-genesis-8-females they can be set up to be anything from plain to super sexy.

    Also these are with a look https://www.daz3d.com/jiwoo-pumps-for-genesis-8-females

     

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,042
    edited December 2021

    nonesuch00 said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ..be careful of using Gen4 clothing on G3 or G8 just with autofit.  Even with the clones, I sometimes find there are mesh distortions that affect the texture maps as well.. 

    I often have to resort to older clothing styles as well for young and pre teen characters.

    I have found in the past that doing the fits for each Genesis generation successively gets me better results. However, if the OP wants to buy SickleYield's clones I like the way they work or also, and this one is free, all the clones that Catherine made. 

    Can anyone post the link to Catherine's clones? They work really well & come in both T-pose & Y-pose versions where relevant. 

    ...I have all of SIckleYield's clones as well as Fit Them All and I still get mesh distortions going from Gen4 to G3.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • Sci Fi FunkSci Fi Funk Posts: 1,198

    @kyoto kid - Are they fixable with mesh grabber? I've rescued some pretty bad fits with it. Of course it takes time....

  • msep_aec684d3fdmsep_aec684d3fd Posts: 32

    For modest women's clothes, you can use men's clothing as well. For removing distortions in the clothing, most of the time I will use Fit Control, which handles most cases relatively well enough for single images. Of course Daz has other products for swapping clothes from one gender to another.

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 908

    msep_aec684d3fd said:

    For modest women's clothes, you can use men's clothing as well. For removing distortions in the clothing, most of the time I will use Fit Control, which handles most cases relatively well enough for single images. Of course Daz has other products for swapping clothes from one gender to another.

    I was not aware of men wearing dresses or skirts?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,042

    Sci Fi Funk said:

    @kyoto kid - Are they fixable with mesh grabber? I've rescued some pretty bad fits with it. Of course it takes time....

    ...not sure as that product a little out of my budget. It also looks as if it stretches textures unnaturally as well. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,042
    edited January 2022

    kenmo said:

    msep_aec684d3fd said:

    For modest women's clothes, you can use men's clothing as well. For removing distortions in the clothing, most of the time I will use Fit Control, which handles most cases relatively well enough for single images. Of course Daz has other products for swapping clothes from one gender to another.

    I was not aware of men wearing dresses or skirts?

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  • kenmokenmo Posts: 908

    kyoto kid said:

    kenmo said:

    msep_aec684d3fd said:

    For modest women's clothes, you can use men's clothing as well. For removing distortions in the clothing, most of the time I will use Fit Control, which handles most cases relatively well enough for single images. Of course Daz has other products for swapping clothes from one gender to another.

    I was not aware of men wearing dresses or skirts?

    ...

     

    Why did you post an image with NO explanation? Is that dress product sold as a men's product? I ask as the op suggested using men's clothing on female characters.

  • cridgitcridgit Posts: 1,757
    edited May 2022

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  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,760

    I'd certainly have a look at Aave Nainen's   store for age appropriate mature female clothing  https://www.daz3d.com/aave-nainen

  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,849

    kenmo said:

    kyoto kid said:

    kenmo said:

    msep_aec684d3fd said:

    For modest women's clothes, you can use men's clothing as well. For removing distortions in the clothing, most of the time I will use Fit Control, which handles most cases relatively well enough for single images. Of course Daz has other products for swapping clothes from one gender to another.

    I was not aware of men wearing dresses or skirts?

    ...

     

    Why did you post an image with NO explanation? Is that dress product sold as a men's product? I ask as the op suggested using men's clothing on female characters.

    https://www.daz3d.com/pretty-in-pink

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