Building a PC

deleted user

I'm building a new PC but I need to know what is most important.
One of my biggest drawbacks with Daz is that my scenes get laggy as heck after 2 actors and a few basic props.
Currently, There is NO way I can build a full scene, with more then one actor in it. Is that due to Video card, The processor speed? Or RAM?

I just need to know what's the most imporant part I want to concider when building this new PC.
While I'm aware that the RAM, Processor, & Video card are all important factors I'm not sure what DAZ relys on the most.

I want to be able to make a FULL scene with 4 people maybe 5. No lag. With room to spair because the makers of Daz studio havn't figured it out by now that exporting the scenes and closing daz (Like how luxrenderer works) Makes renders go by MUCH faster. We'll have to wait for the day when they wake up and realize this. Trying to render on top of a fully loaded scene..
Tisk Tisk... What are they thinking? Well, anyways... Until then I need room to spare.

Specs on what I would want to buy and why would be nice to have.

RayKat

wow...that's a tough question to answer with a short reply.i have been absent from DAZ for about a year and have just gotten back into it and have also recently built a new computer..so...here it goes.. .
first and foremost DAZ used to use 3Delight for rendering and it relied more on CPU power than GPU power,but GPU power is what enables you to create complex scenes and enables you to move things around in a scene that contains many assets,like backdrops,characters,trees,etc in real time.
However the newest Beta version introduces the new Iray render engine made by Nvidia and it relies on the GPU so the better your graphic card the better.I have not used iray yet because I don't like Betas,but all the renders I have seen using it look awesome and I am really looking forward to the general release.
Now I am no expert at using DAZ...far from it.Like i said i have been away from the scene for a bit but...I definitely know about building computers.I build all my own systems and build and mod systems for friends.That being said here is my advice on building a new system.
First,I know i may get bashed by a lot of DAZ users but when piecing your system together try not to think so much about building for DAZ and think more about building a balanced system in general...obviously you want to use your system for graphic arts...thats all you need to think about in general terms for now.
First...determine your budget.I don't know what you currently have or how much money you want to spend but that will be your determining factor as to what you will be able to build and how much bang for your buck you will be able to squeeze out of your budget.
Do you want to spend a thousand bucks?Two thousand?..That's important for me to know in order to give you any concrete hardware advice but...as for me...this is what I built
I have a Gigabyte z97 black board with an intel core i7 4790k devils canyon cpu,8 giigs of memory(Gskill ripjaws),a Gigabyte Nvidia gtx 760 with 2 gigs of video ram...a 500 samsung evo850 ssd and some other doo dads...I plan on upgrading my video card to a newer 970 card with at least 4gigs of ram...adding another 8 gigs of dram and switching to a water cooling system....but I paid about 1600 for my system and it rocks.
So in the 1000 to 1500 buck range I would highly suggest a x97 board from gigabyte or asus an i7 cpu like the 4790 and at least 8gigs of ram and the best video card you can afford....if you are rich and money isn't a factor then I would move to an x99 platform and get a 6core cpu etc..I don't want to waste tons of space here but if you have any questions regarding hardware...cpu gpu..ram etc..feel free to contact me here or at raykat01@yahooo.com...I'm a computer building nerd and would be more than happy to help you in putting a system together regardless of your budget...hower..like I said keep in mind that Iray uses gpu power and the better your graphics card and the memory it has the better,,,but at the same time...a killer graphics card will only bottle neck a system with a sub par cpu...it's all about balance...Gee I'll bet I've totally confused you...sorry
Hope this helped at least a little

Chohole

To put it simply for DS RAM is very important. Processor speed helps and if you want to take full advantage of the newest version of Daz Studio with Iray then you need an nVidia GPU with 4mb of onboard Ram

There are several threads already around the forum where people have been asking about Ideal specs for a new computer. Finding some of those may give you some ideas.

maclean

I won't offer any advice about Daz Studio. What I will say is don't forget two of the most overlooked components - PSU (Poser supply unit) and case. If you're building a high-end pc, make sure your power supply is more than adequate to the task (bearing in mind possible future upgrades), and that the case is capable of running hardware which may generate quite a bit of heat.

The one thing to keep in mind with Daz Studio is that, from the very beginning, DS has been optimised for Nvidia graphics cards, and with the release of DS 4.8 and the Iray renderer, that has become even more important. If you buy an AMD card, you won't get the full benefit of Iray.

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mjc1016

To expand a little on the power supply and give you an idea of what to look for...minimum 700W silver certified.

deleted user

Thanks guys.

Tell me if you think this is a bad deal.

For $1682.00

Intel Core i7 Processor i7-4790K 4GHz 8MB QUAD CORE
H2O 1250 ENCLOSED LIQUID COOLING SYSTEM

ASUS B85M-G LGA 1150 Intel B85 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 uATX Intel Motherboard

32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333MHz (PC3 10600) Dual / Quad Channel
COOLMAX MEMORY HEAT SPREADERS

2TB 7200 RPM 64MB CACHE SATA 6.0Gb/s
Dual Fan Cooler for Hard Disk

14X BLU-RAY DISK BURNER DVD-RW COMBO DRIVE w/3D Feature

nVidia GeForce GT740 4GB DDR3 2DVI/HDMI PCI-EXP Video Card

ANTEC DELUXE CASE COOLER
SPIRE PREMIUM CASE COOLING SYSTEM

EVGA 850 WATT POWER SUPPLY

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

I added a lot of cooling attachments because I'm paranoid about overheating my PC. :-/

maclean

I see it includes a 2Tb hard disk. You should use that as your secondary disk and get an SSD (solid State Drive) as the primary disk for the OS. An SSD will give you a bigger boost in load times (opening apps) than any other single piece of hardware.

Put the OS on the SSD and save your data to the 2Tb.

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StratDragon

if you don't plan to over-clock your CPU you have a lot of case and cpu cooling overhead you could loose. If you do plan to over-clock (and the 3d HW community is split on potential outcomes of doing so) go for it.
Intel CPU's come with rock solid fans and most cases about $60a and up are going to be more than sufficient to keep components cool providing your not sticking the computer next to a space heater in a dust filled corner that prevents airflow and gets direct sunlight all day.

Check out Corsair's cases, they are super efficient.

RayKat

You might want to also check out Newegg.com.They have a lot of very good combo systems from cyberpower that are great as well.You should also check out Maximum PC magazine.Although they are heavily weighted towards gaming rigs you can learn a ton of general computing info from them.

mjc1016

raykat01 said:

You should also check out Maximum PC magazine.Although they are heavily weighted towards gaming rigs you can learn a ton of general computing info from them.

And really, what's the big difference between a gaming rig and one for 3d work? (not much, in my book, other than I'd put more RAM in my work rig than my gaming box...)

RayKat

Yeah i agree,You can never have too much ram.As far as differences in gaming rigs versus graphic rigs,I'd say it depends on the program.Nvidia gtx980 ...great for gaming and DAZ/Poser...but when you get into rigs designed for 3DsMax or Maya,Lightwave,MOdo etc then you start getting more into the Quadro line or FirePro cards which are great for video and graphics work but kinda suck for gaming.I'm thinking of getting a gtX970 with 4gigs of vram for Iray.i think it should suffice,and at about 300 bucks or so it's a pretty good bang for your buck card as opposed to the newer titans that are gonna cost a cool grand...ouch!

deleted user

Nvida Geforce 4G 970. I hear its pretty good for its price. But it caps out at 3.5G. A common issue I hear.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-memory-issue-fully-explained/

mjc1016

raykat01 said:

Yeah i agree,You can never have too much ram.As far as differences in gaming rigs versus graphic rigs,I'd say it depends on the program.Nvidia gtx980 ...great for gaming and DAZ/Poser...but when you get into rigs designed for 3DsMax or Maya,Lightwave,MOdo etc then you start getting more into the Quadro line or FirePro cards which are great for video and graphics work but kinda suck for gaming.I'm thinking of getting a gtX970 with 4gigs of vram for Iray.i think it should suffice,and at about 300 bucks or so it's a pretty good bang for your buck card as opposed to the newer titans that are gonna cost a cool grand...ouch!

That's mostly the software maker's fault. If you go to some serious hardware review sites, you'll find that even for 'highend' graphics boxes the top end gaming cards trump the dedicated workstation cards, especially when it comes time for memory intensive tasks...like large scen GPU rendering. (Unless you are flush with cash, from a major motion picture...then maybe you could afford one of those mega memory workstation cards or one of the Nvidia graphics appliances...)

Right now it seems that amount of memory on the video card is the real limiting factor...for most graphics things, be they 'hobbyist', 'pro', gaming or even video work. Today's current mid to high end 'enthusiast' cards have got plenty of number crunching power...and for many applications, plenty to spare, too.