Gates of Avalon100 HDRIs
myotherworld
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just WOW
will be going right in my cart when the wife is not about to catch me spending money.
plus it will save you $180 on geeting the model.
what other HDRIs do they do?
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Wait, we can make HDRIs with buildings from Ktibash 3D and sell them here at Daz? All of those models look to be directly from the Elysium kit.
The latest trend for PAs to create "HDRI"s from rendered products is really tacky. I guess people are buying them though?
Why is it tacky?
I used think like this. But now not so much. We use models and figures made by others dont we.
At the end of the day we all want to make good looking art.
so long as its legal it OK
Also can you guess how long that would take to render.
Yeah, but we're not selling the models and figures to others to use in their own renders like this product is doing to the Kitbash 3D set. The textures are even the same, it's just the Elysium set rendered out. I'm very curious about the legalities of this. Now I wonder if I can take models that are already being sold at Daz, make billboard sets of them in various outfits and poses that I buy from Daz and sell that? At this point that's a genuine question after seeing this HDRI set being sold at the store.
Or I wonder if the PA and Daz are working with Kitbash 3D on this, but since in the description they are saying Avalon as "Avalon", so I doubt it.
HDRI are already in the store featuring models and props rendered. Look at the sets by JDA and dreamlight.
That would fall within the definition of "commercial renders", so yes. Some people on Renderosity offer freebies of a single Daz store product rendered out on a transparent background.
I'd definitely be on board if some PA (looking at you, Polish) partnered with KB3D to release sets in Daz format. Even absent that, though, here's my way of thinking on this issue: KB3D sets are orders of magnitude more expensive than Daz sets, and require a lot of legwork to bring into DS, adjust shaders, position, etc., and introduce a lot of geometry and texture maps into your scene, making them a challenge for most users to render even after all that work is done. An HDRI, by contrast, is incredibly lightweight, if obviously not as flexible. If someone wants to use HDRIs made with a KB3D set, I can't really fault them for it. If they want more flexibility, like a different configuration of the assets or a camera angle or lighting condition that the HDRIs don't offer, the KB3D sets are available for them. For the record, this isn't even the first set of HDRIS Dreamlight has released that are made with existing 3D assets.
My only reservation is I'm not getting a good idea of the options in the product. The demo images are rather limited.
I prefer rendered backdrops in HDRIs because they mesh better with the overall look of my characters and the creators usually have more flexibility to create a lot of different setups using the same props. When I use photo HDRI environments I always feel like my characters look obviously out of place unless I'm blurring the scene behind them.
If this product is made using a Kitbash 3D set, IIRC those cost over $100 and the artist still would have had to set up the textures and everything. I think people should be aware of what they're buying--I see a lot of "pose reference" packs on places like Cubebrush that are just renders of starter poses using the base G8 models, which IMO is basically charging people for not knowing Daz exists--but a lot of work still goes into setting up environment scenes, rendering them out, and processing them to use as image-based lighting.
FWIW Dreamlight has also done a tutorial on how to do this that I thought was really straightforward and easy to follow, and before I upgraded my computer it used to be the only way I could use any environment more complex than a simple bedroom or something if I wanted to put more than one character in it.
Pretty much every billboard set I've seen for sale in the store here has used character models, poses, and textures that can also be purchased from the store.
the actual thing showcased wonderfully by someone in Unreal
This isn't the Avalon product, it's the Elysium set from Kitbash 3D that it's assets were used to create the Avalon HDRI set. Be careful how you use the Avalon HDRIs as I spoke with Kitbash 3D and they said it is against their EULA to make an HDRI product like that. When this HDRI set was released I had figured heck, I have every Kitbash 3D set pretty much, if this is alright to do I'll just start creating HDRIs for sale but spoke with Kitbash 3D about it and they said oh no, you cannot do that.
On a side note, that looks great in UnReal! I always wondered how well the Kitbash 3D sets looked in that engine. The Elysium set is a beautiful one, I bought it the day it came out but had no idea what I'd use it for. Then I had to animate a film for a musician that dealt with part of it being in Heaven and these buildings were perfect for the backdrop. I do love this set.
Sounds like it shouldn't be for sale in the store, then - thanks for the info.
- Greg
I brought it up to customer service months ago and they said they'd look into it, I did my part there but figured with this new video posted I'd mention it again for anyone who might want to use this HDRI set in something commercially on their end, that they really can't.
I am aware of this
I was just sharing the Elysium video as it is the set Dreamlight rendered.