Martial Arts Dojo issue - incorrect order of dojo kun on dojo walls - interior set - RESOLVED
Knittingmommy
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I'm just now playing with the Martial Arts Dojo that I got in February. I loaded the whole set and then looked at the scrolls on the back wall. When I researched the what the scrolls said, I realized that they were the dojo kun or the rules of the dojo of most of the Shitryu branch of martial arts. Unfortunately, there are two issues with the scrolls and I need to change them in either case.
First issue: The scrolls are out of order and need to be changed to show the correct order of the dojo kun.
Second issue: The karate dojo I'm affiliated with has a different dojo kun. I'd like to change the scrolls to reflect that version of the dojo kun.
First, let me say that I have already pm'd the artist, Bluebird3D, but since I don't know how often she checks messages, I thought I would ask those in the forum to see if they can answer my questions on changing out the scrolls because it is not as easy of a fix as I first thought it would be.
I thought I could go in find where the .jpg or .png, whichever the case might be, and change them. I came across an interesting problem that is beyond my limited skills (still learning how to use Daz). I found .jpgs under the diffuse and specular aspects of the scrolls. Both pictures show the correct order of the dojo kun. So, somewhere there is a picture of the dojo kun that I am not finding that has the incorrect order. Obviously, Bluebird3D actually did intend for the scrolls to be shown in the correct order. This, also, negated my first instinct to correct the scroll order by fixing these pictures. They already show the correct order. However, that leaves me with the question of where the missing picture is that I need to change. I'm open to suggestions.
Where do I need to look to find the missing picture? Anyone?
Pictures include a scaled down version of the promo picture found on the product page which is the same view I get when I load the dojo and a picture of the dojo kun in the correct order.
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I just loaded it up and this is a screen shot of what I see in the viewport and where the texture for it is located
That is what I get, too. If you look at it closely, the pictures are not the same. The picture under the textures tab is the correct order. However, the scrolls in the dojo show the incorrect order. I can't find out how the scrolls are being influenced by a picture other than under diffuse or specular. There has to be one somewhere for it to show in the final product in the incorrect order, doesn't there?
Looks like the UVs got mixed up (easily done with something like this).
Just need to open the map and switch banner 2 with 5 and 3 with 4 in your photo editor of choice and re-save.
Or they are UV mapped to each show a different part of the image and somehow got placed out of order
(I do not have the set to check)
Lol too quick for me Atticus
Easiest solution would be to compare the order on the texture versus the order they appear in and then make your own texture to comensate for the flip-flop.
A quick way to check which panel is which would be to put a different colour spot on each in a new layer and save that as a copy then you can see it easier.
I'll try the suggestions above this evening. I haven't messed with UV maps yet so this will be a first for me. Thanks everyone.
you're welcome.
:)
Apparently, this isn't going to be a quick fix. I will have to do some research because I can't just open the uv map in the uv tab. I found a picture in the materials section that is probably the instigator of the error in the scrolls because it shows the scrolls in the wrong order.
This is the only thing that I've found showing the incorrect order. However, it is in the dson file and I have no idea how to open those or how to do anything with them other than let Daz Studio do it's thing with them. Maybe Bluebird3D will get back to my pm before I drive myself totally crazy.
In the meantime, I will probably use the dojo without the scrolls. I might have better, faster luck to just make my own scrolls and use them. I don't know if it is possible to make a material of my own to use if I don't have the uv map for the original prop. My skill set just isn't there, yet. But I'm learning how to use hexagon and blender and this might be a good project with which to learn.
Thanks for all of the advice everyone.
Why not put a texture on 5 primative planes and just put them over top of the scrolls in the order you need them in
With those it should be a very simple matter to redo the scrolls.
Hi there, Knittingmommy!
My apologies for the delay. I miss forum posts a lot because of production deadlines.. and PMs for the same reason. *blush* I've always got my nose in a modeler.
I'm trying to catch up here. Is the problem that the banner is reversed in the viewport (ie: Left to Right when they should be Right to Left) or that you think the banner characters themselves are out of order?
The reference I researched and used was this one from the Japan Karate Association:
http://shotokankaratelondon.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/DojoKunG-e1369876368768.jpg
~Bluebird
With those it should be a very simple matter to redo the scrolls.
Yes, one would think, huh? Except, the file I downloaded is empty. No, template. Why someone would go to the trouble of ziping up nothing is beyond me. But, I downloaded the file and nothing was in it. I even downloaded the exterior templates thinking the interior might have been put in there by accident, but, no, they weren't. There are templates for the exterior part of the dojo, but nothing for the interior and the interior template file is empty. Which is one reason why I'm having such a difficult time.
With those it should be a very simple matter to redo the scrolls.
Yes, one would think, huh? Except, the file I downloaded is empty. No, template. Why someone would go to the trouble of ziping up nothing is beyond me. But, I downloaded the file and nothing was in it. I even downloaded the exterior templates thinking the interior might have been put in there by accident, but, no, they weren't. There are templates for the exterior part of the dojo, but nothing for the interior and the interior template file is empty. Which is one reason why I'm having such a difficult time.
Oh! Okay now I understand. I can do three things here:
1 - I will email you the interior templates if you send me your address. Best way to reach me is via email directly here: blue @ buebird3d.com with no spaces.
2 - I will check the product library to see if the templates download empty for me as well. If so I will reach out to my DAZ contact to fix that.
3 - I will push an update to the product via DIM so that the interior is fixed for you and everyone else who has it so you don't have this issue again.
Thank you for your patience and I am so sorry for the frustration.
~Bluebird
I don't have that set, so I can't check the template files. (I kind of preferred when they were on the product's page...that way you could get them even if you didn't have the set.)
When you do download it is it showing a file size in the download dialog?
What is the file size on disk, before you try to open it?
Usually, something like that indicates a broken download/incomplete file. It can also be a sign of a corrupted zip. If the file size in the download dialog and the disk size match, then it's probably a corrupted zip, on the server.
If they are wildly different sizes, it's probably a broken/incomplete download.
Have you tried a different browser to download?
Often, with broken/incomplete downloads swapping to a different browser will get the file...so will clearing history, logging out, clearing cookies and then relogging in and trying again.
And another, although not as common as it once was, cause is security software 'quarantining' zip files without a known 'reputation'. Basically, they assume if the file is not from a major download site or has know history/reputation of being 'safe', then it must be 'bad' and to protect you, prevent it from being used/opened.
Yes, that link goes to a correct version of the dojo kun for the Shito-Ryu and, as far as I can tell, by looking at the files used for the diffuse, specular, two other channels that escape me, all show the correct order per the link. However, the interior loads up with scrolls 2 and 5 swapped. And, scrolls 3 and 4 are swapped. I can't find any file that explains why they are swapped out of order when all of your other files all show the correct order other than the picture for the materials icon. I'm a real newbie and it is entirely likely I'm missing something obvious and just don't know it.
I would love to have the template and will email you my address at the one you gave in the post below. If I wasn't part of another dojo and wanted to use the set to make a gift for Shihan Demura, I probably wouldn't have even noticed. However, I don't dare use something written in Japanese and not know what it says if he is the recipient. That just isn't done. As I stated in an ealier post, I will end up replacing the dojo kun you are using with the dojo kun for our dojo once I have the uv map for the scrolls.
Thank you so much for helping. I love your work, by the way, and have several of your products in my catalog now. They are all amazing and will fit nicely with other projects I have in my head.
I don't have that set, so I can't check the template files. (I kind of preferred when they were on the product's page...that way you could get them even if you didn't have the set.)
When you do download it is it showing a file size in the download dialog?
What is the file size on disk, before you try to open it?
file size shown on product page is 22 bytes and the file downloaded is also 22 bytes. I haven't tried downloading with a different browser.
file size shown on product page is 22 bytes and the file downloaded is also 22 bytes. I haven't tried downloading with a different browser.
22 bytes...that looks like a corrupt/bad zip on the server.
So, Bluebird was nice enough to send me the templates for the Dojo Interior. She tried downloading the template file and got the same empty file so she is requesting an update. I can now, easily, change the dojo kun. She's very nice and I really like how quickly this whole thing got resolved. I love her work, too. She has such nice sets.
So, I'm editing the title to resolved since she will be requesting an update for the Interior set and then it will be in Daz's hands. I don't know how quickly they do things like that.
Usually, once something like that is identified and is easily fixable, the updates are pretty quick...but with DIM breaking today probably early next week.