Downgrade is possible?

I updated daz wronly now my shaders doesn't work. How can i back to 4.16 or another stable version?

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  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,049

    About the best you can do is submit a ticket to CS and ask them. https://helpdaz.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

  • I want it too, 4.20 totally unusable.

  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,336
    edited February 2022

    Man, I'm glad updates aren't automatic.  Seems like everytime I've had serious issues with Daz it's because I installed an update before checking it out in the forums first.

     

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  • DireWorksDireWorks Posts: 133
    edited February 2022

    i dont think is about the version, for me and most of the people is working well. I see that some peopl is having problems, but also in the 99% of the cases you can find a fix.

    Totally unusuable is a pretty drastic statement.

    About fixing maybe a user cant search for fixes cause his knowledge of the software is not that deep.

    Ask for help, provide infos and an image and you will get a answer and a solution

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  • yukimuki12yukimuki12 Posts: 6
    edited February 2022

    nelsonsmith said:

    Man, I'm glad updates aren't automatic.  Seems like everytime I've had serious issues with Daz it's because I installed an update before checking it out in the forums first.

    When i opened daz ecntral it downloaded auto.

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • frank0314 said:

    About the best you can do is submit a ticket to CS and ask them. https://helpdaz.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

    I wrote 3 4x tickets and no answers :=) 

  • DireWorks said:

    i dont think is about the version, for me and most of the people is working well. I see that some peopl is having problems, but also in the 99% of the cases you can find a fix.

    Totally unusuable is a pretty drastic statement.

    About fixing maybe a user cant search for fixes cause his knowledge of the software is not that deep.

    Ask for help, provide infos and an image and you will get a answer and a solution

    that's why my old finished woks also became weird with 4.20? I am not a newbie for dazstudio i was working on my own shaders they were totally okay bu now they are not. 

  • yukimuki12 said:

    frank0314 said:

    About the best you can do is submit a ticket to CS and ask them. https://helpdaz.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

    I wrote 3 4x tickets and no answers :=) 

    Multiple tickets will certainly not help. Did you receive an acknowledgement for the first (or any of the others)? ZenDesk does not automatically log you in, so you may have had to manually enter your address and perhaps added a typo.

  • GreybroGreybro Posts: 2,502

    I'd be curious to know just how many commerical products the Ghost Light thing in the latest version made useless.

  • yukimuki12 said:

    nelsonsmith said:

    Man, I'm glad updates aren't automatic.  Seems like everytime I've had serious issues with Daz it's because I installed an update before checking it out in the forums first.

    When i opened daz ecntral it downloaded auto.

    there is an "Update assets automatically" setting which is presumably enabled for you.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    edited February 2022

    nelsonsmith said:

    Man, I'm glad updates aren't automatic.  Seems like everytime I've had serious issues with Daz it's because I installed an update before checking it out in the forums first.

     

    ... and it seems that every update has problems so I am just too wary of installing them. Like you, I check this forum and there are so many requests for a way to revert to a previous version that I am not touching DIM installers. I'm still on 4.15.

    I have to wonder what kind of QA and beta testing goes on. I've noticed many times that I have a knack of tripping over bugs within an hour of installing an update (not just with DAZ Studio though, I have to say). I am certainly not a power user so if I find them, why don't the QA team and/or Beta testers?

    Post edited by marble on
  • marble said:

    nelsonsmith said:

    Man, I'm glad updates aren't automatic.  Seems like everytime I've had serious issues with Daz it's because I installed an update before checking it out in the forums first.

     

    ... and it seems that every update has problems so I am just too wary of installing them. Like you, I check this forum and there are so many requests for a way to revert to a previous version that I am not touching DIM installers. I'm still on 4.15.

    I have to wonder what kind of QA and beta testing goes on. I've noticed many times that I have a knack of tripping over bugs within an hour of installing an update (not just with DAZ Studio though, I have to say). I am certainly not a power user so if I find them, why don't the QA team and/or Beta testers?

    The only issue I am aware of that might have been caught in testing is the failure of layout saving. The other main issues are Iray not rendering because the driver is too old and the chnages to ghost lights and, to a lesser extent, thin film.

  • Products can also pass any company's QC with their obviously limited array of computers available for testing. Once the product [from any company] hits the shelves, then other issues may or not be discovered as the sheer number of additional computers are in play.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,049

    Some things need to happen once live so they can pinpoint a problem that alpha and beta testing couldn't find. Once you get a full spectrum of different situations, circumstances, and different equipment can you pin point the issue. This is true amongst many software except they have a testing poll that's 100 times the number that Daz has which is why they can find a good majority. I've been on beta teams for other software and believe me, what we here experience with DS is nothing compared to some of the major software out there that we use on a daily bases in this hobby/profession goes through.

  • I always grab the files from Install Manager and keep a copy so have versions going back to about 4.9

  • Philippi_ChildPhilippi_Child Posts: 648
    edited February 2022

    marble said:

    nelsonsmith said:

    Man, I'm glad updates aren't automatic.  Seems like everytime I've had serious issues with Daz it's because I installed an update before checking it out in the forums first.

     

    ... and it seems that every update has problems so I am just too wary of installing them. Like you, I check this forum and there are so many requests for a way to revert to a previous version that I am not touching DIM installers. I'm still on 4.15.

    I have to wonder what kind of QA and beta testing goes on. I've noticed many times that I have a knack of tripping over bugs within an hour of installing an update (not just with DAZ Studio though, I have to say). I am certainly not a power user so if I find them, why don't the QA team and/or Beta testers?

    still using 4.12 here I am into this as a hobby and I want to enjoy doing it not fighting software. I'm too old and my fighting days has long since passed. 
    I hope that DS doesn't become so technical and so dependent on high priced hardware that it will become out of the reach of the common hobbyists.

    Post edited by Philippi_Child on
  • jjoynerjjoyner Posts: 616
    edited February 2022

    Philippi_Child,

    still using 4.12 here I am into this as a hobby and I want to enjoy doing it not fighting software. I'm too old and my fighting days has long since passed. 
    I hope that DS doesn't become so technical and so dependent on high priced hardware that it will become out of the reach of the common hobbyists.

    I agree with you wholeheartedy.  I'm a hobbyist too.  I'm now into my second year of retiring from work.  I started playing around with iClone 2.5 in 2007, with Daz Studio 2 in 2008, and with Poser 8 in 2009.  I'm staying parked for now (and maybe for good) with Daz Studio 4.15.  I have every set of install files for earlier versions of Daz Studio (iClone and Poser too), so if I ever move to Daz Studio version 4.20, I can fallback to an earlier version if needed.

    Post edited by jjoyner on
  • charlescharles Posts: 846

    4.15 here, so I have to ask! For all the issues I've read about in 4.2 I need to know...IS IT WORTH IT?

    Are the renders WOW super now?

     

  • Sorry to be 'that' guy folks but... don't you guys make any backups at all?  I mean.. if that's the case then downgrading is the least of your problems.

    First thing I did when I noticed 4.20 was out (days after the fact, I noticed in DIM)... was to fire up 4.16 in the evening, have fun and I made a full system backup that same evening / night. The next day I started reading changelogs (which I think are very bad: there are 2 threads and both even link each other... I mean, seriously?) and eventually I decided to dive into the deep.

    I'm actually happy with 4.20. For starters: when I use keyboard shortcuts to call up a pane they no longer show up with OS decorations (I hated that nonsense) but now show up exactly as if you'd used the option from the "Windows => Pane" menu. All my old renders load without issues and, yah. I did upgrade my graphics drivers just in case, but I still don't understand the full deal about the smoke pane, also because the demo project doesn't show me any smoke or such at all (using GeForce RTX 2060). But to be very honest I also don't care that much either.

    Being able to collapse multiple areas in the smart contents pane is also a welcome feat for me, though I would have welcomed some kind of customization here.

    I also get the impression (that's all it is!) that some parts of the panes respond quicker than 4.16 did. But I cannot be sure and maybe it's just between my ears.

    However, I am very happy to report that I had much less issues with ZBrush. I installed all updated, I then tried to "GoZ" my favorite figure (Riley for Stephanie 5; based on Genesis) into ZBrush and that worked like a charm. I then tried to "GoZ" a sculpted ball back over, that also worked. So the bridge worked like a charm after the update (updating to 4.16 caused quite a few problems there for me).

    All in all I'm actually pretty happy with the end results so far, things work and from what I can tell they work better than 4.16 with regards to some specific details. 

     

     

     

  • LarryLarry Posts: 16

    They should let people redown load the last update before 4.20.  Then when they get the bugs out of 4.20 then let them have the option tom reload. But they should maintain an archive 

    of their earlyer virgin of there past systems like blender does. 

     

    Larry Liles

     

  • I've got 4.11 backed up but somehow I can't lay my hands on my backed up 4.12.

  • ArtsyDragonArtsyDragon Posts: 682
    edited March 2022

    I had to change my computer because my art rig won't work anymore with DAZ once it upgraded to 4.20. Help only told me to roll back my AMD drivers. Problem is, the drivers haven't updated. The only thing that changed was the DAZ version. I'm super bummed. I'll have to invest in a new graphics card (Nvidia GeForce something) before I can use the dedicated art rig again. :(

    I'm using a laptop right now and things are slow but I LOVE love LOVE the new volumetric. WOOT! 

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  • nelsonsmith said:

    Man, I'm glad updates aren't automatic.  Seems like everytime I've had serious issues with Daz it'Yes because I installed an update before checking it out in the forums first.

    I would stay away from Daz Central if you don't want auto updates, that must be why mine auto updated and If I don't get a downgrade, I will be quitting Daz after a decade of my time spent with it. 

  • Oh hang on. There will be another update. And possibly D/Ss5 which will likely have many changes.

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