When is K4 Clone going to be avalible?
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I just got a K4 Skin converter for Genesis 2. Which was really nice! I was really excited to see that. But I have a lot of K4 clothing I have collected over the years. I'd love to be able to use them on my Genesis 2 models. I got plenty of youth morphs.. But geez guys... I don't like dressing children up like playboy hookers, and Xena the princess warrior. Both look unnatural and unsettling. hehe!
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There are still plenty of Genesis 2 clothes which look fine on youths, but I understand your desire for a a K4 clone. I have a very rudimentary clone I use for personal conversions, which is sadly not distributable as far as I'm aware. It also doesn't work well with dresses, which accounts for the lions share of K4 clothing on the market.
There was a post detailing the steps to create your own basic autofit clone, which I seem to have lost over time. There are obviously a lot more steps to creating a true autofit, some of which are not detailed in the post, but it's a good stepping stone. I'll see if I can dig it out.
Edit: Here it is. The steps are for V4, but you can substitute it for K4 fairly easily.
I will give it a try. Still, though, I can't help but desire a true clone made by a trained professional.
I don't understand why nobody has taken up this quest yet. It's a profitable clone. It only needs to be made once. And There are probably hundreds of people who would gladly pay for a real clone. I'm just looking at the money of it, and I get nothing but question marks above my head. If I knew how to. I would be making this clone, just for the profit.
Well you could use the genesis K4 autofitted clothes saved as support assets reautofitted to G2M & F
What kind of support asset? There is a few of them.
If it's Prop Assets, what do I choose to be compilable with?
I mean there is this whole thing to consider. Saving as assets is kinda vague and only leaves me with more questions the answers. lol
wardrobe genesis
I know I haven't mentioned it since the Christmas freebie, but the K4 Autofit clone is still on my to-do list. In fact, I have been thinking about it alot the past few days, working it out in my head while I work on a current project.
I will move it up on the priority list. If I have a couple of products in the queue for release, it allows me to concentrate on more time consuming project like this one. I have a new release coming very soon, and I am nearly finished with my current project. So, I will make a real effort to work on this ASAP. I'm sad because I had already made an autofit clone for K4 way before Christmas, but somehow I must have deleted it because I can't find it anywhere, so I have to start over.
Of course you can ignore all that...Content type and such. It won't be in Smart Content if you do...but it will still be in the Content Library. All of that is for the creation of metadata for Smart Content. And for stuff I'm converting, if it's just an intermediate conversion, like to Genesis on the way to G2F, I don't bother creating metadata for it.
Bummer That's too bad. Would have made a nice Christmas sell... :(
Well I look forward to your release. I'm sure it will be a big hit.
For now, I guess this strategy work's. The boy on the left is a Genesis. The Girl on the right is a G2F.
I had to throw together a fast scene to test it out. Sorry, nothing high quality or anything. Just a quick, throw together test render.
If you have GenX2 and the genesis 2 plug in, creating a K4 clone is not difficult. Genesis already has a K4 clone, so you can use GenX2 to copy this over to G2F/G2M. I have done this and it works fine for auto fitting clothing etc.
If DAZ didn't release one back in when they released the M4/V4 and other iconic shapes for Genesis, I doubt you'll see one from them. When or if a PA creates one will depend on how much the will gain versus the amount of work they will have to put in to it. DAZ has always maintained that male items don't sell as well as female's and children's items don't sell as well as men's.
It why there is a disproportionate number of female to male to children products in the store catalog.
DAZ did release a K4 shape for Genesis 1 as it is needed to autofit K4 clothing. However the shape is hidden as an autofit clone, but you can unhide it and use it as a shape like any other morph.
I have a theory that goes something like this...
If you look at the level of professionalism in Genesis 2 Female / V4 and clothing vs Kids 4. You'll notice a HUGE drop in quality.
People don't like to buy junk, and from what I've seen of most K4 clothing. I wouldn't buy it either.
Most people put next to no effort at all into it... Thus, lower sells rate. It's not that people don't like kids. It's that the level of detail is smug, and lazy. Generic as all get out.... People have standards. And Kids stuff. Everything from clothing, to props, to morphs and skins.... their Dollar store quality.... Laughable...
Then they wonder why Kids stuff don't sell so good. Your forced into a corner. Forced to render low quality, chubby dwarfs, in a fairy outfits.
I'm only able to pull this render off by using my own zbrush morphs, V4 skin and Genesis 2 clothing and hair.
There is no way I would have ever been able to make this render with the level of quality in today's kids market.
https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/65354
I have a theory that goes something like this...
If you look at the level of professionalism in Genesis 2 Female / V4 and clothing vs Kids 4. You'll notice a HUGE drop in quality.
People don't like to buy junk, and from what I've seen of most K4 clothing. I wouldn't buy it either.
Most people put next to no effort at all into it... Thus, lower sells rate. It's not that people don't like kids. It's that the level of detail is smug, and lazy. Generic as all get out.... People have standards. And Kids stuff. Everything from clothing, to props, to morphs and skins.... their Dollar store quality.... Laughable...
Then they wonder why Kids stuff don't sell so good. Your forced into a corner. Forced to render low quality, chubby dwarfs, in a fairy outfits.
Clothing really doesn't matter 'cause in the end, very few people render kids to make it profitable. A vendor could make a very elaborate, high quality outfit and it still get slaughtered in sales because it is a children's outfit.
Most of you know I've been mentioning doing a K4 clone for clothing and hair (already did the uvs), but as I think about it, I only have maybe 3 outfits for K4. By the time I buy enough clothing to test the autofit, I will probably have spent alot of money on something I will NEVER use (the clothing) and won't likely make up that money in sales (to my satisfaction). What we really need is new kids and content creation for them. I don't claim to be aware of all the K4 outfits out there, but I somehow doubt they meet today's standards anyway.
As stated above if people do need a Genesis 2 K4 autofit clone there are ways (using GenX or transfer utility) to create one. I am not claiming it would be as good as one you can create manually for a product, but it is better than nothing.
Clone or actual body shape? DS comes with the K4 auto fit clone which is not the same as the M4, V4 and other iconic and legacy shapes for Geneis and Genesis 2 line.
You have to have a body shape in order to get a clone.
Below is a picture of (from left to right) G2F morphed into K4, original K4 and Genesis morphed into K4. Both the shape and the clone for G2F and the shape for Genesis all come from the Genesis K4 clone morph supplied by DAZ as part of Genesis Essentials.
All three are wearing the K4 basicwear created for the original K4 model (ie not the Genesis version that comes with DAZ Studio). For G2F and Genesis 1 the clothing was autofitted using the K4 clone with no additional modifications or smoothers.
With the products that convert Genesis and G2 to kids (Zev0's) we are able to use outfits on the Genesis and G2 figures without ever having to buy K4 stuff anymore. But I buy Genesis and G2 outfits based on if they will look good on kids.
You have to have a body shape in order to get a clone.
Below is a picture of (from left to right) G2F morphed into K4, original K4 and Genesis morphed into K4. Both the shape and the clone for G2F and the shape for Genesis all come from the Genesis K4 clone morph supplied by DAZ as part of Genesis Essentials.
All three are wearing the K4 basicwear created for the original K4 model (ie not the Genesis version that comes with DAZ Studio). For G2F and Genesis 1 the clothing was autofitted using the K4 clone with no additional modifications or smoothers.
The auto fit clone allows you to morph Genesis and G2 but if you look at all three you will see that there is a visible difference between them A K4 body shape for Genesis and Genesis 2, like the M4 and V4 shapes would fix this variance so it does not cause problems with other K4 morphs.
You have to have a body shape in order to get a clone.
Below is a picture of (from left to right) G2F morphed into K4, original K4 and Genesis morphed into K4. Both the shape and the clone for G2F and the shape for Genesis all come from the Genesis K4 clone morph supplied by DAZ as part of Genesis Essentials.
All three are wearing the K4 basicwear created for the original K4 model (ie not the Genesis version that comes with DAZ Studio). For G2F and Genesis 1 the clothing was autofitted using the K4 clone with no additional modifications or smoothers.
Emphasis mine. That's intuitive which is why it's confusing and confounding what the differences are and no information given us how to get a 'shape' from a 'clone'. One gives us a morph to visually shape a figure into another, the other gives a shape to autofit clothes around--which are basically the same thing. Perhaps one has bones, the other not. Autofit takes rigging into consideration, Auto-follow only the morphs. or something like that.
Emphasis mine. That's intuitive which is why it's confusing and confounding what the differences are and no information given us how to get a 'shape' from a 'clone'. One gives us a morph to visually shape a figure into another, the other gives a shape to autofit clothes around--which are basically the same thing. Perhaps one has bones, the other not. Autofit takes rigging into consideration, Auto-follow only the morphs. or something like that.
Normally you get a clone from a shape rather than the other way round. If you click on a Genesis figure (1 or 2), under Parameters Hidden/Clone you can see the clone shapes you have. These clones can be set to 100% and you will see the shape the clone uses to fit the clothes
The auto fit clone allows you to morph Genesis and G2 but if you look at all three you will see that there is a visible difference between them A K4 body shape for Genesis and Genesis 2, like the M4 and V4 shapes would fix this variance so it does not cause problems with other K4 morphs.
Yes, I had noticed the differences, and it is curious. Any facial differences are largely irrelevant for auto fit purposes, but the legs on the original K4 are definitely a bit stockier. However despite this, the clone does work well on pants.
The auto fit clone allows you to morph Genesis and G2 but if you look at all three you will see that there is a visible difference between them A K4 body shape for Genesis and Genesis 2, like the M4 and V4 shapes would fix this variance so it does not cause problems with other K4 morphs.
Yes, I had noticed the differences, and it is curious. Any facial differences are largely irrelevant for auto fit purposes, but the legs on the original K4 are definitely a bit stockier. However despite this, the clone does work well on pants.
A child's head is larger than adults when comparing various anatomical points. They more or less grow into their heads. The middle or K4 figure is properly proportioned whereas the Genesis and Genesis2 figures look like small adults with the K4 facial morph. The proportions are anatomically inaccurate.