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Rawart Flyer Grade Dragons and Dragon Bundle gone?

Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
edited April 2015 in The Commons

Haven't been around all that much lately, sorry if this has been mentioned before.

Had a few wishlist items that wouldn't load, and noticed they were for products 9307 and 3169, which were Rawart's Dragon Bundle and Flyer Grade Dragon (respecitvely) for the Mil Dragon 2.0.

Bundle: http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/9307/start

Flyer Grade didn't have a product wiki.

I'm assuming since the bundle was pulled, all of the included products were as well.

/edit
Not sure why I had both the bundle and the Flyer in my wishlist as the Flyer came with the bundle. o_O

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  • Jonathan BJonathan B Posts: 114
    edited December 1969

    In this thread, http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/55224/ , it was mentioned that at least one of Rawn's older products was retired from the store recently. Perhaps others were as well, including the dragon items.

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    Rawn just retired a bunch of stuff, I suspect...

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    Poo. Thanks. Wasn't sure if it was a store glitch or if he actually was retiring things.

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    Yep, retiring them after the MM sales is what he hinted at in that other thread.

  • MegonNoelMegonNoel Posts: 377
    edited December 1969

    Yeah, I had couple of those from that bundle on my wishlist too, and they've disappeared. I only use Dragon 2 right now so I was interested in getting them. I also went to purchase the Castle Study textures that I needed and those were gone.

    For a long time my finances wouldn't allow for much purchasing and I'm only now able to slowly chip away at my wishlist, but apparently I'm just not fast enough. It's probably not what was meant, but doing things like this gives the impression that since I'm not interested in newest, shiniest "HD" I'm just not what they're looking for in a customer.

    I understand that no new textures are going to be made for Millennium Dragon 2, but removing existing textures for it from the store is not cool.

  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401
    edited December 1969

    Greetings,
    The artists occasionally vault/drop stuff which isn't up to their standards anymore; it keeps new buyers from getting a skewed view of the quality of their items. Think of a ranked quality scale of all items by a PA. If you remove the bottom 10% (randomly picked number!) then the average quality of an item sold goes up by a lot.

    It's not about not wanting sales, it's about wanting to put their best foot forward to buyers who don't know that the difference between SKU 5000 and SKU 15000 could be 5+ years of improving skills.

    But it does hurt if you knew you wanted them, but couldn't afford them until they were gone. :( Sorry to hear that.

    -- Morgan

  • IceEmpressIceEmpress Posts: 639
    edited December 1969

    A customer would have to be an idiot to assume that the old products at the very bottom of the vendor's list with the default "Newest Arrivals" filter in any way represents their current skills or product quality.

    Man, that really sucks that so much stuff was retired. >_< Really really sucks. I'll have to see what all was lost. Damn... I hate sooo much when this happens...

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    I understand retiring, and I understand the desire for a vendor to want to remove older products as newer and better are released, but it doesn't seem that there was a big heads up at any point? I use Poser more than DS, so I haven't bought into Dragon 3.

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    edited December 1969

    Cypherfox said:
    Greetings,
    The artists occasionally vault/drop stuff which isn't up to their standards anymore; it keeps new buyers from getting a skewed view of the quality of their items. Think of a ranked quality scale of all items by a PA. If you remove the bottom 10% (randomly picked number!) then the average quality of an item sold goes up by a lot.

    It's not about not wanting sales, it's about wanting to put their best foot forward to buyers who don't know that the difference between SKU 5000 and SKU 15000 could be 5+ years of improving skills.

    But it does hurt if you knew you wanted them, but couldn't afford them until they were gone. :( Sorry to hear that.

    -- Morgan

    The irony is I preferred the older stuff when it comes to dragons. I got Mildragon 3 and a bunch of stuff and realize I don't reallly even like it. Along the way the dragon has come to be too hunky and muscular and more like a dinosaur than a dragon. Yeah, that's my opinion.

    I'd rather more svelt and elegant even though fierce. The dragons have simply become monsters.

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    edited December 1969

    Spit said:

    The irony is I preferred the older stuff when it comes to dragons. I got Mildragon 3 and a bunch of stuff and realize I don't reallly even like it. Along the way the dragon has come to be too hunky and muscular and more like a dinosaur than a dragon. Yeah, that's my opinion.

    I'd rather more svelt and elegant even though fierce. The dragons have simply become monsters.

    http://www.daz3d.com/creatures-of-legend-for-daz-dragon-3
    and
    http://www.daz3d.com/mythic-beasts-for-the-daz-dragon-3


    Apart from that: I preferred Stonemason's style - announcing the culling and he even gave a really good sale price on the older things ...

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    edited December 1969

    Kerya said:
    Spit said:

    The irony is I preferred the older stuff when it comes to dragons. I got Mildragon 3 and a bunch of stuff and realize I don't reallly even like it. Along the way the dragon has come to be too hunky and muscular and more like a dinosaur than a dragon. Yeah, that's my opinion.

    I'd rather more svelt and elegant even though fierce. The dragons have simply become monsters.

    http://www.daz3d.com/creatures-of-legend-for-daz-dragon-3
    and
    http://www.daz3d.com/mythic-beasts-for-the-daz-dragon-3


    Apart from that: I preferred Stonemason's style - announcing the culling and he even gave a really good sale price on the older things ...

    Yes, I have those and I actually like them. (Thank you Sickle)

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 2,417
    edited December 1969

    Spit said:
    [The irony is I preferred the older stuff when it comes to dragons.

    You're not alone; despite the many improvements, none of the newer dragons work as well as the first Millennium Dragons as Dragonfolk, especially in humanoid poses.
    -- Walt Sterdan
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