OT: RTX 40 Series a Power Hungry GPU? Update 4090 Ti, Release Date?

LeatherGryphon

"...there is an overabundance of new RTX 30xx cards still available, and one thought of why is due crypto going down hill...."

A reason for some to rejoyce or lament.

Ghosty12

More rumors making the rounds is that the power requirements for the 4070 and 4080, have been lowered quite a bit for the new generation cards, from what was originally guessed / leaked / rumored..

The rumored changes are that the 4080 went from 420w to 320w, and the 4070 went from 300w to 285w.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-and-4070-get-new-lower-power-specs-mysterious-20gb-model-also-mentioned

outrider42

Like I said from the start, I would be very surprised if Nvidia really launched such super power hungry cards cards like the rumors claimed. It would just be stupid to do so, there is no other way to describe it. Even if they did think about it, they very likely were brought down to reality by testing processes going very badly.

As GPUs get hotter, every component on the board has to be beefed up in turn in order to handle the heat, not just the cooler. And while they might be able do it, this also leads to much higher board costs. Thus it is not worth the effort. This becomes more of an issue on the low end GPUs which are supposed to be cheap to make. How dumb would it be it to have a 4070 that needs a 3090 sized cooler? This should be a $500 or so card, but such a cooler would probably eat up most of the cost, making the card less profitable to make.

Thus Nvidia would have to be out of the freakin minds to release cards that need that much power. Only the very top card in the stack should ever be allowed to be so absurd. The 4060, 4070, and 4080 are NOT in that category. The power draw may creep up some in these classes, but Nvidia cannot push them that much. Especially if AMD shows up with solid performance per Watt. AMD would make Nvidia look very bad. People are already jokingly comparing Ada to Fermi, which was one of Nvidia's poorest generations. I am sure Nvidia is aware of this, too. In fact, I would not be surprised if Nvidia skips the 4000 naming scheme and goes to 5000. The number 4000 could be too similar to the 400 series. 

kyoto kid

...that's what I started with a GTX 460 with a full 1 GB of VRAM.

magog_a4eb71ab

outrider42 said:

Like I said from the start, I would be very surprised if Nvidia really launched such super power hungry cards cards like the rumors claimed. It would just be stupid to do so, there is no other way to describe it. Even if they did think about it, they very likely were brought down to reality by testing processes going very badly.

As GPUs get hotter, every component on the board has to be beefed up in turn in order to handle the heat, not just the cooler. And while they might be able do it, this also leads to much higher board costs. Thus it is not worth the effort. This becomes more of an issue on the low end GPUs which are supposed to be cheap to make. How dumb would it be it to have a 4070 that needs a 3090 sized cooler? This should be a $500 or so card, but such a cooler would probably eat up most of the cost, making the card less profitable to make.

Thus Nvidia would have to be out of the freakin minds to release cards that need that much power. Only the very top card in the stack should ever be allowed to be so absurd. The 4060, 4070, and 4080 are NOT in that category. The power draw may creep up some in these classes, but Nvidia cannot push them that much. Especially if AMD shows up with solid performance per Watt. AMD would make Nvidia look very bad. People are already jokingly comparing Ada to Fermi, which was one of Nvidia's poorest generations. I am sure Nvidia is aware of this, too. In fact, I would not be surprised if Nvidia skips the 4000 naming scheme and goes to 5000. The number 4000 could be too similar to the 400 series. 

Yeah, because the 350+ watt cards they have now already throw out an overabundance of heat. If they go much higher with the wattage, the only solution is going to be an external graphics card that plugs into the motherboard somehow. I don't know how something like that would work since then there's the problem of latency/bandwidth.