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The Parting of the Lips

MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
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Hey all! G8 had a "lips part" morph on the posing tab. G8.1 does not have this. Is there an easy way to just get a quick parting of the lips...you know that simple "resting face" lips parted mouth. Using the open/close jaw doesn't work because I don't want to open her jaw. Powerpose I guess is an option, but was hoping for something a bit more intuitive. 

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  • HylasHylas Posts: 5,070

    I think "funnel" does something similar, if I remember it right?

    Or enable 8.0 expressions.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    You can use all the G8 expressions once you remove the dummy files from G8.1 morph folders, that are placed there to disable the use of G8 expressions.

    Making the G8 base expressions (and any expressions that are using them) work on G8.1 requires removing dummy/placeholder expressions that are installed to G8.1 morph folders - These dummy/placeholder expression files have no other function than to prevent the base G8 expressions from loading. 

    The dummy/placeholder files are located in;

    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)

    Please make sure you are removing the files from G8.1 morph folders and not G8 morph folders.

    Note. If you are logging in to DS and letting DAZ Connect (within DS) to install/update your content, you may have these also in an other location that has "\Data\Cloud\" in it's path

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited March 2022

    PerttiA said:

    You can use all the G8 expressions once you remove the dummy files from G8.1 morph folders, that are placed there to disable the use of G8 expressions.

    Making the G8 base expressions (and any expressions that are using them) work on G8.1 requires removing dummy/placeholder expressions that are installed to G8.1 morph folders - These dummy/placeholder expression files have no other function than to prevent the base G8 expressions from loading. 

    The dummy/placeholder files are located in;

    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)

    Please make sure you are removing the files from G8.1 morph folders and not G8 morph folders.

    Note. If you are logging in to DS and letting DAZ Connect (within DS) to install/update your content, you may have these also in an other location that has "\Data\Cloud\" in it's path

    I've done that and I do have G8 expressions, but the lips part morph wasn't under the expressions heading...it was under the mouth sub-section. I'll go through the process again and check, as I'm sure things got dumped back in when the Essentials updated recently in DIM.

    *edit* That worked! Thanks!

    Post edited by MelissaGT on
  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,776

    PerttiA said:

    You can use all the G8 expressions once you remove the dummy files from G8.1 morph folders, that are placed there to disable the use of G8 expressions.

    Making the G8 base expressions (and any expressions that are using them) work on G8.1 requires removing dummy/placeholder expressions that are installed to G8.1 morph folders - These dummy/placeholder expression files have no other function than to prevent the base G8 expressions from loading. 

    The dummy/placeholder files are located in;

    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)

    Please make sure you are removing the files from G8.1 morph folders and not G8 morph folders.

    Note. If you are logging in to DS and letting DAZ Connect (within DS) to install/update your content, you may have these also in an other location that has "\Data\Cloud\" in it's path

    Thanks for this

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    FSMCDesigns said:

    PerttiA said:

    You can use all the G8 expressions once you remove the dummy files from G8.1 morph folders, that are placed there to disable the use of G8 expressions.

    Making the G8 base expressions (and any expressions that are using them) work on G8.1 requires removing dummy/placeholder expressions that are installed to G8.1 morph folders - These dummy/placeholder expression files have no other function than to prevent the base G8 expressions from loading. 

    The dummy/placeholder files are located in;

    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)

    Please make sure you are removing the files from G8.1 morph folders and not G8 morph folders.

    Note. If you are logging in to DS and letting DAZ Connect (within DS) to install/update your content, you may have these also in an other location that has "\Data\Cloud\" in it's path

    Thanks for this

    Very good to keep handy...every time the Essentials updates, it redownloads the stuff that I need to delete.

    What I don't get is why would G8.1 not have a control to part the lips?  

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    MelissaGT said:

    FSMCDesigns said:

    PerttiA said:

    You can use all the G8 expressions once you remove the dummy files from G8.1 morph folders, that are placed there to disable the use of G8 expressions.

    Making the G8 base expressions (and any expressions that are using them) work on G8.1 requires removing dummy/placeholder expressions that are installed to G8.1 morph folders - These dummy/placeholder expression files have no other function than to prevent the base G8 expressions from loading. 

    The dummy/placeholder files are located in;

    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)

    Please make sure you are removing the files from G8.1 morph folders and not G8 morph folders.

    Note. If you are logging in to DS and letting DAZ Connect (within DS) to install/update your content, you may have these also in an other location that has "\Data\Cloud\" in it's path

    Thanks for this

    Very good to keep handy...every time the Essentials updates, it redownloads the stuff that I need to delete.

    What I don't get is why would G8.1 not have a control to part the lips?  

    Maybe someone thought it wasn't needed as the G8.1 has the new facial rig... 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,436

    PerttiA said:

    MelissaGT said:

    FSMCDesigns said:

    PerttiA said:

    You can use all the G8 expressions once you remove the dummy files from G8.1 morph folders, that are placed there to disable the use of G8 expressions.

    Making the G8 base expressions (and any expressions that are using them) work on G8.1 requires removing dummy/placeholder expressions that are installed to G8.1 morph folders - These dummy/placeholder expression files have no other function than to prevent the base G8 expressions from loading. 

    The dummy/placeholder files are located in;

    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Base Pose Head\ (255 files)
    ...\Data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Male 8_1\Morphs\Daz 3D\Expressions\ (24 files)

    Please make sure you are removing the files from G8.1 morph folders and not G8 morph folders.

    Note. If you are logging in to DS and letting DAZ Connect (within DS) to install/update your content, you may have these also in an other location that has "\Data\Cloud\" in it's path

    Thanks for this

    Very good to keep handy...every time the Essentials updates, it redownloads the stuff that I need to delete.

    What I don't get is why would G8.1 not have a control to part the lips?  

    Maybe someone thought it wasn't needed as the G8.1 has the new facial rig... 

    Genesis 8.1 does not have a new rig, it has new pose controls for the rig (and some new morphs I think).

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    MelissaGT said:

    Very good to keep handy...every time the Essentials updates, it redownloads the stuff that I need to delete.

    What I don't get is why would G8.1 not have a control to part the lips?  

    Maybe someone thought it wasn't needed as the G8.1 has the new facial rig... 

    Genesis 8.1 does not have a new rig, it has new pose controls for the rig (and some new morphs I think).

    Looking at the Genesis 8 Female Starter Essentials;

    FacialRig.JPG
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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,027

    PerttiA said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    MelissaGT said:

    Very good to keep handy...every time the Essentials updates, it redownloads the stuff that I need to delete.

    What I don't get is why would G8.1 not have a control to part the lips?  

    Maybe someone thought it wasn't needed as the G8.1 has the new facial rig... 

    Genesis 8.1 does not have a new rig, it has new pose controls for the rig (and some new morphs I think).

    Looking at the Genesis 8 Female Starter Essentials;

    Wait, what is that head split deformer? Is that new? Does it let you split the head from the body in models that don’t have separate morphs? 

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,174

    The headsplit deformer has been there for as long as I've been using DS, which is to say, since fairly early in G8's lifecycle.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,027

    Gordig said:

    The headsplit deformer has been there for as long as I've been using DS, which is to say, since fairly early in G8's lifecycle.

    How do you use it? Where in DS is it located? I’ve been wanting that for ages. 

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,174

    Can't help you on how to use it, but it's in the Utilities section for G8 Starter Essentials in Smart Content, or Developer Kit under People/Genesis 8 (Male/Female) in Content Library.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,293
    edited March 2022

    If the lower jaw opens enough - the lips part. Try parting lips without lowering your lower jaw - you can't. Upper jaw is immobile. Smiles, grimaces, and other expressions involve other muscles and the lips but as you've seen in truth lips can't pull themselves up or down, just out & in basically. That's what these new FACS in G8.1 are all about.

    Post edited by nonesuch00 on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,436

    PerttiA said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    MelissaGT said:

    Very good to keep handy...every time the Essentials updates, it redownloads the stuff that I need to delete.

    What I don't get is why would G8.1 not have a control to part the lips?  

    Maybe someone thought it wasn't needed as the G8.1 has the new facial rig... 

    Genesis 8.1 does not have a new rig, it has new pose controls for the rig (and some new morphs I think).

    Looking at the Genesis 8 Female Starter Essentials;

    That is an add-on that provides a way to manipulate the new, FACS, controls - it says nothing about the rigging.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,436

    Wonderland said:

    Gordig said:

    The headsplit deformer has been there for as long as I've been using DS, which is to say, since fairly early in G8's lifecycle.

    How do you use it? Where in DS is it located? I’ve been wanting that for ages. 

    You load the dFormer. When importing a new morph through Morph Loader Pro one of the options available under the morph name is Attenuate By, then dForm, then pick the Head Split dForm - that will use the weight map associated with the dForm to include/exclude vertices. You can create your own weight-mapped dForms for the same function.

  • leemoon_c43b45a114leemoon_c43b45a114 Posts: 874
    edited March 2022

    I've recently started using Face Control Expansion to part the lips on my G8.1M characters.  Dialing small values into FCE Lips Lower Middle gives me that relaxed mouth/jaw look.  However, I also use Jaw Open at 5% or less to complete the look for my needs.

    This was the alternative that I use now that Lips Part is not available on G8.1.

    Face Control Expansion for G8.1F:  https://www.daz3d.com/face-control-expansion-for-genesis-81-female

    Lee

     

    Post edited by leemoon_c43b45a114 on
  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    PerttiA said:

    MelissaGT said:

    Very good to keep handy...every time the Essentials updates, it redownloads the stuff that I need to delete.

    What I don't get is why would G8.1 not have a control to part the lips?  

    Maybe someone thought it wasn't needed as the G8.1 has the new facial rig... 

    Genesis 8.1 does not have a new rig, it has new pose controls for the rig (and some new morphs I think).

    Looking at the Genesis 8 Female Starter Essentials;

    That is an add-on that provides a way to manipulate the new, FACS, controls - it says nothing about the rigging.

    I wasn't talking about the rigging

    https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-1

     

    FacialRig.PNG
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