Products for different figures (noob question)
caraTRON.7263
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Hi, I'm brand new at using Daz3D. My question at the moment involves the ability or lack thereof to combine products meant for different figures. If I buy a clothing package meant for Victoria 4 (which I'm given to understand is a very popular figure to build products off of), and a set of poses meant for Genesis 8 Female, is it competely impossible to combine features from these two products on the same model?
In general I can understand some products being prorietary to others. My puzzlement is coming from the fact that, again, Victoria seems to be a "standard" figure to use as a basis; but if products based on it are incompatible with ones based on Genesis 8 Female, and vice versa, that seems like a pretty big restriction. This for example seems like a fairly standard product; is it incompatible with anything made for/using Victoria?
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Victoria 4 was released in 2006.
Genesis 8 Female was released in 2017.
To explain in slightly more detail: Victoria 4 products are usually not compatable with G8F. Because Victoria 4 is an extremely old character. The name "Victoria" is just the name that is used for the first core female figure of each new generation. As in Victoria 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 8.1. If you are new to this I would recommend sticking with the Genesis 8/8.1 figures since they are the most current and probably the easiest for a new user to work with. Genesis 8 Female has many add-on characters for it, including a Victoria 8/8.1. The G8F Body morphs that you linked to are ONLY compatable with G8F not Victoria 4.
Thanks. I've since realized that the Victoria 4 figure is not as prolific as I thought it was when I made this thread.
I have two follow up questions to this. First, you say that Victoria 4 is "extremely old," but how old is too old? I think I read in another thread recently that a product inteded for a G8 figure can be loaded onto a G8.1 figure, but not the other way around. Is this just true of G8 versus G8.1, or is it also true between different-numbered versions? Can a product (an outfit for example) intended for a Genesis [number less than 8] Female be loaded onto a Genesis 8 Female? I suspect that the answer is no, but I want to make sure. Does it depend on how big the gap is, as you implied? If so, again, how old is too old?
Second, I'm confused about just how "different" and incompatible various character models like Victoria and Akio are from a "Genesis [number] Female." You say that "Genesis 8 Female has many add-on characters for it, including a Victoria 8/8.1"; however, "Victoria 8" does not appear to be an item that can appear under "Compatible Figures" on a product's page, whereas "Victoria 4" is, and, simply put, I don't understand why that is, and what it implies.
Related to both these questions, you said "Victoria 4 products are usually not compatable with G8F"; why "usually?" When might they be?
To summarize both these questions - If "Genesis 8 (or 8.1) Female" does not appear under "Compatible Figures" on a product's page, does that %100 mean that the product CANNOT be used with a Genesis 8 Female? Or is it possible that they can be used together, either because the product is for a "Genesis [number less than 8 but not THAT much less than 8] Female," or because it can work assuming I have some intermediary product like "Victoria [something]?"
There are various converters - Genesis can convert fitted items for any older Genesis, though the quality of such auto-conversiosn can be variable. There are tool for converting other content - morphs (shapes), textues, and poses - though you may sometimes need more than one conversion (and so more than one product) for some routes. In Genesis the Genesis figure is the base and the named characters sch as Victoris 5+ are add-ons (new shapes and materials).
The older figures, Michael.Victoria/Kids 4 and earlier, use a different system and do not have the same ability to convert content between them (there are covnerters, but they require much more input from the user). The fourth geenration figures have three bases, Kids, Michael, and Victoria, with other named characters being add-ons - in the previous generations all of the named characters (e.g. Aiko 3, Stephanie 3, Hiro 3, David 3) were separate figures entirely, with their own content.
I would advise you to use G8 or G8.1 chars. As richard say, there are converters and daz has a feature called "autofit" that can convert on the fly an outfit for a G8 char. Just apply the cloth to the figure and autofit will trigger. Some other generations are also supported, but unless you have a specific reason (a char that you really like, a large collection, etc), there is no real reason to use older chars.
To clarify and answer some of your questions.
> a product inteded for a G8 figure can be loaded onto a G8.1 figure but not the other way around
No, 99.99% of products are bidirectionally compatible, except for what concerns expressions.
> Victoria 8" does not appear to be an item that can appear under "Compatible Figures" on a product's page
Victoria 8 is a morph over genesis 8 and all G8F items are compatible with her (or any other genesis 8 char).
> Related to both these questions, you said "Victoria 4 products are usually not compatable with G8F"; why "usually?" When might they be?
V4 assets are NEVER directly compatible with genesis 8. But there are converters, either offline or on-the-fly (autofit for cloths).
> If "Genesis 8 (or 8.1) Female" does not appear under "Compatible Figures" on a product's page, does that %100 mean that the product CANNOT be used with a Genesis 8 Female?
Of course not, and I largely use old V4 to G3 cloths, hair, etc. As it has already been said, autofit works well for cloths and there are converters for cloths, hair, poses, etc and all can do a great job, though the results may sometimes be disappointing.
That's great to hear!
It sounds as though you're saying that if a product does not list G8F under Compatible Figures, there is at least a chance, especially for clothing items, that I can try it on a G8F and it will "just work" via autofit. Do I have that correct?
In the event that it doesn't, what are these converters and how do I get them? Say I have one outfit product that is meant for Victoria 4, and another that is meant for G2F or G3F; assuming that autofit doesn't take care of it, what do I need to do in order to be able to use each of these products on a G8F?
Another specific question - Victoria 4 seems to associated with something called "Poser," which I'm unclear whether it is some kind of extension for Daz3D or a different software entirely. Some Victoria 4 products will list both "Poser" and "Daz Studio 4.20" under "Compatible Software," while others will ONLY list Poser; what does it mean in the latter case?
Poser is a completely different software, which has the same purpose as Daz Studio.
Daz started out as a company selling content for Poser, then later decided to create their own application as they didn't want to depend too much on the creators of Poser to have an application which could use their content. For several years content released here worked in both programs (V4 was the last figure working natively in both), but Poser and DS evolved in different ways, and for the past few years new content has mostly been Daz Studio only.
Most content made for Poser you'll find in Daz store will work in DS though you'll usually need to adjust the materials.
Once upon a time there was Poser. Poser is, like its successor DAZ Studio, a program for setting up, costumising and rendering human and animal figures. In about 2000 DAZ the company made the 'Millenium Woman' or Victoria 1. As time and technology ground on, they made Michael 1, and eventual Victoria and Michaels 2,3, and 4 as well as various other named characters.
All of those figures are A) not particularly able to share content without extensive jumping through hoops B) made for Poser (although DS can use them) and C getting pretty old. Techbnology has advanced a great deal since then. Newer figures can take advantage of that.
Starting around the Victoria 4 days, DAZ the company started makign DAZ Studio the program. (this is why I try to differentiate the two). For quite a while content was _made_ in and for Poser, but was also _useable_ in DAZ Studio.
And then along came Genesis 1 - a non gendered figure, made in DS for DS. This added a whole pile more exciting technology under the hood that allows clothing to reshape to fit characters morphs, be converted on the fly, and so forth and so on. Genesis was more or less useable in Poser using a special addon thing,
However later versions Genesis 2, 3 and 8 - are entirely meant for use in DAZ Studio and can't be easily used in Poser (tnot that it stopped anyone from trying)
So for a new user what this boils down to - the bigger the number the more recent the content is, and the more likely it will be at least somewhat useable with a genesis 8 based figure. For the sake of your sanity matching the numbers is the easiest.
If you have a Victoria 4 outfit you want to use on g8. you can - but you will either need one of Riversoft and Sickleyields excelent Clothing Convertors, or a bit of time on your hands. it is in fact possible to convert from V4 to Gensis. From gensis to g2, to g3 to g8. but like xeroxing a thing a few times it can get ... messy.
There are also 'autofit clones' which expand the ability of the autofit 'Fit to' dialog to convert clothing for X figure to Y figure.
Also. V4 era clothing predates DAZ S old 3delight shaders and DS Iray shader (the current) so it will take some fiddling around to get it to render nicely. There are many various shader kits about that will helpw ith this, but if you want load-and-go, stick to Genesis 3 or 8 products while you get used to things.
Also - some things do not convert well. Specifically shoes and long dresses. The autoconversion thing does its best but well. No. Not excellent.
LM
Genesis 2 would also import into Poser via the DSON Importer, though that doesn't work in the current version of Poser.
Once converted to Genesis you can go straight to Genesis 8 as it has AutoFit clones for all of the pevious generations.
Thank you for the corrections Richard :) Its been a while since I messed aorund with earlier generaiton figures