Is there a perfect m4?

UpiriumUpirium Posts: 711
edited December 1969 in The Commons

With V4 there is a complete perfect v4 with overhaul or almost everything
By X and M I think
But as far as I know they only made a perfect booty for m4 and there are several other places on M4 that break and that need to be fixed.
I have M4 Overhaul that fixes some things but not everything and it's usually just fixes bend fixes...

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  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    There never is a one-size-fits all solution when it comes to 3D. There will always be problems with one morph or another simply due to how it all works on a mechanical level. That being said, there are often corrective morphs which can mend any issues which do appear.

    In my humble opinion the 'best' M4 isn't really M4 at all, but is actually G2M using the Michael 4 morphs. First up, because it's WM rigged rather than parametric and secondly because there are dozens of morphs on G2M designed specifically to address the few issues you might run into.

    Probably not the answer you expected, but it's an answer nonetheless.

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,581
    edited April 2015

    This item may be of use to you:

    http://www.daz3d.com/beautiful-bends-m4

    However, HeraldofFire is correct that there will not be a one-size-fit all solution for older figures such as M4, especially once you start dialing in different morphs. Weightmapped figures generally help with bending issues. You can try the morph brush to try to fix some issues in other bends.

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,678
    edited April 2015

    As convenient as it would be to have perfect bends for all body types even biological evolution couldn't manage it. I've seen some really awful creases, bunching and folding on fellow locker room patrons. And the older I get, the more I realize that creasing, folding, and bulging is a real problem. I wish there was a fix in a box that I could just load and be done with it. :-S I used to be an advocate of nudism to show off my beautiful body, but the older I get the more I appreciate the value of loose clothing.

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  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    iDiru said:
    With V4 there is a complete perfect v4 with overhaul or almost everything
    By X and M I think
    But as far as I know they only made a perfect booty for m4 and there are several other places on M4 that break and that need to be fixed.
    I have M4 Overhaul that fixes some things but not everything and it's usually just fixes bend fixes...

    The V4 perfect body is a bundle of fixes that the vendors made over a number of years and a number of updates to the various parts.

    What places on M4 are you finding breaks? I've seen some weird bends in more extreme poses but that's to be expected. Most of these can be improved or completely fixed with morph brush. I haven't seen a breaks in the mesh. Can you give a screenshot of the breaks?

  • UpiriumUpirium Posts: 711
    edited December 1969

    icprncss said:
    iDiru said:
    With V4 there is a complete perfect v4 with overhaul or almost everything
    By X and M I think
    But as far as I know they only made a perfect booty for m4 and there are several other places on M4 that break and that need to be fixed.
    I have M4 Overhaul that fixes some things but not everything and it's usually just fixes bend fixes...

    The V4 perfect body is a bundle of fixes that the vendors made over a number of years and a number of updates to the various parts.

    What places on M4 are you finding breaks? I've seen some weird bends in more extreme poses but that's to be expected. Most of these can be improved or completely fixed with morph brush. I haven't seen a breaks in the mesh. Can you give a screenshot of the breaks?
    I'm looking into the beautiful bends thing but
    I don't know I have poses that I have and they sometimes break M4 in places. Well, not exactly break but it is awkward.
    There are the same problems on v4 but their bends have been fixed by the product..
    I had to crop one of these because it had nudity but it's the leg joint.
    And then there's an arm issue going on a lot of the time with me where it doesn't look right..
    I will post two examples that have happened lately, in the elbow area.

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  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    Have you tried fixing the elbow area with the morph brush? I fix odd little bends like that all the time with it.

  • UpiriumUpirium Posts: 711
    edited December 1969

    icprncss said:
    Have you tried fixing the elbow area with the morph brush? I fix odd little bends like that all the time with it.

    Which more brush do you use?
    I don't really do much with the morph brush really unless I'm using cloth simulation and trying to smooth jagged edges.
  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    iDiru said:
    icprncss said:
    Have you tried fixing the elbow area with the morph brush? I fix odd little bends like that all the time with it.

    Which more brush do you use?
    I don't really do much with the morph brush really unless I'm using cloth simulation and trying to smooth jagged edges.

    In the Pose room, click on the Pose tool. Click on the create tab. You may have to practice a bit until you get a feel for which tools to use and your5 settings but once you get used to it.

  • UpiriumUpirium Posts: 711
    edited December 1969

    icprncss said:
    iDiru said:
    icprncss said:
    Have you tried fixing the elbow area with the morph brush? I fix odd little bends like that all the time with it.

    Which more brush do you use?
    I don't really do much with the morph brush really unless I'm using cloth simulation and trying to smooth jagged edges.

    In the Pose room, click on the Pose tool. Click on the create tab. You may have to practice a bit until you get a feel for which tools to use and your5 settings but once you get used to it.
    For the record, is this for Daz or Poser? Because i'm using Poser.. .

  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    iDiru said:
    icprncss said:
    iDiru said:
    icprncss said:
    Have you tried fixing the elbow area with the morph brush? I fix odd little bends like that all the time with it.

    Which more brush do you use?
    I don't really do much with the morph brush really unless I'm using cloth simulation and trying to smooth jagged edges.

    In the Pose room, click on the Pose tool. Click on the create tab. You may have to practice a bit until you get a feel for which tools to use and your5 settings but once you get used to it.
    For the record, is this for Daz or Poser? Because i'm using Poser.. .

    I use Pro2014 and Game Dev so this is for Poser. If you look in the tool pane in the upper left corner of the standard Poser UI, you will find the Pose Tool. It looks like a little hand with a pointing finger. Click on it and you will get a pop up window with the pose tools. One of them is the morph brush. In the pop up up there are two tabs. Click on the create tab. That will give you the morph brush and it's controls. If you need more information, check both the Poser manual and the SMS Poser website. There are a couple of video tutorials there on the morph brush.

  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416
    edited December 1969

    iDiru said:
    For the record, is this for Daz or Poser? Because i'm using Poser.. .

    DS doesn't have a morph brush, to do the same thing in DS you have the bridge to Hexagon or Zbrush, paint your fixes, export as obj, and import it back into DS with reverse deformations on.. it's a whole lot of pain in the rear for something Poser does in one step.

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