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DAZ iRay Cloud

stgastga Posts: 23
edited December 1969 in Daz Studio Discussion

I know it's a beta version, but does anyone yet have any info on setting up a cloud server?

I have a collection of machines I built for distributing Luxrender renders, and I'd like to try distributed rendering with iRay. Most don't have NVIDIA GPUs, but have fast CPUs and lots of memory (16G minimum), and I am happy with CPU rendering.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,464
    edited December 1969

    In the changelog it says

    Added the ability to sign in to Iray cloud; internal

    so I don't think that is ready for us to play with yet.

  • stgastga Posts: 23
    edited December 1969

    I think I've found the answer to my question:

    http://www.nvidia.com/object/iray-server.html

    I have applied for the beta program, offering my renderfarm which contains a combination of NVIDIA GPUs and AMD APUs (I am sure the later won't thrill them, but they should be fine for software-only rendering).

    I'd really like an official answer from the DAZ folks, though, about cloud plans.

  • emms54emms54 Posts: 41

    I applied to the same program, was accepted but I don't see DAZ listed in their program.

    http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia-iray.html

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 11,624

    Please note this are peer-to-peer forums.  Occasionally you will see Daz in here, but if you want to ask something where you hope Daz can answer, that is via a ticket.

  • emms54emms54 Posts: 41

    Thanks Cris, I have opened a ticket.

  • emms54emms54 Posts: 41

    Hi,

    Got the result of the ticket : feature not yet implemented... No clue for the roadmap.

  • AndySAndyS Posts: 1,438

    Yep,

    there is a button "Notify me when available".

    The main question is about costs. Or is it free to use? Don't think so.devil

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,464
    AndyS said:

    Yep,

    there is a button "Notify me when available".

    The main question is about costs. Or is it free to use? Don't think so.devil

    I think it would be free if you had a VCA ($50,000 ish). prsumably a remote service with a batch of VCAs would not be free to use.

  • AndySAndyS Posts: 1,438
    edited October 2015

    Hallo Richard,

    Richard Haseltine said:

    ...  if you had a VCA ($50,000 ish).

    sorry, what is this?

    Not all of us are technical specialists.

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  • ToborTobor Posts: 2,300
    edited October 2015

    A VCA (visual computing appliance) is an stand-alone mini-supercomputer device made by nVidia. In a commopn configuration, it really contains 10 very high-end GPU cards, plus memory and some networking features. Its intended for those who need the horseposer of to perform math-intensive computer applications. Typical users are ad agencies, television and movie production facilities, research labs, design engineering firms, that sort of thing.  Rendering graphics is actually just a subset of what a VCA is often used for.

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  • srmojuzesrmojuze Posts: 18
    edited November 2015

    Hi all I applied for http://www.nvidia.com/object/iray-server.html ...I would like to tinker with it and will the current Daz3D "cloud" render option work with it?

    Post edited by srmojuze on
  • Kevin SandersonKevin Sanderson Posts: 1,643

    I found this today... a company in Poland that includes DAZ3D in their software list along with Iray, not cloud as far as I can see but more a render farm: http://ultrarender.com/

     

     

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,251

    http://www.nvidia.com/object/visual-computing-appliance.html

    but are you still limited to 12GB Video RAM because thats the max on a single card?

    Othwerise I buy one, or what the hey, I'll buy three, er. nine!

  • IceCrMnIceCrMn Posts: 2,142
    edited November 2015

    I doubt it, thats a complete compute node.It's got it's own OS ( Linux CentOS 6.6 ) a 20 core Xeon server CPU, multiple network connections, and few other nice toys for your $50K. I would assume that when the worker threads are made it sends what ever the limit is to each GPU. So if the limit is 12GB per card, when one card is maxed out, then the next worker thread would be sent to the next available GPU instead of waiting.Sort of like the multi-threading done on modern CPUs.

     

    edit: I should also note that you won't be running the client version of iray on your VCA, rather you would be running the server version.That version would be very different than the one we use on our client machines to render with.You wouldn't want to try to use the server version on your dekstop to try and render a scene.The overhead of running both the server and the client on the same computer would be very high, not to mention kind of pointless.

    Post edited by IceCrMn on
  • DAZ_VinceDAZ_Vince Posts: 114
    edited November 2015

    Hi everyone,

    Thought I'd jump in to clarify.

    The plan is to eventually enable you to purchase an Iray Server license to render on your own systems as well as enable you to connect to cloud rendering services running VCAs when they become available. We don't currently plan on hosting VCAs oursleves but are looking to allow DAZ Studio to leverage 3rd party NVIDIA Iray rendering services.

    NVIDIA Iray 2015 supports queuing and streaming. We implemented the streaming interface in the "cloud beta" pane so that we could test connecting to a VCA cluster provided by NVIDIA. This should also work when using the streaming option in Iray Server Beta but hasn't been tested internally yet so we can't validate if it does indeed work with a local server.

    We have not yet implemented queuing which is the option you would use to send batch jobs to a render machine for processing without an interactive view of the render. You won't be able to try queuing untill we implement it but feel free to try the streaming option, it might work for your configuration.

    Keep checking the Public Beta build channel  for updates but we won't be tackling distributed rendering in 4.9.0.x

    Post edited by DAZ_Vince on
  • srmojuzesrmojuze Posts: 18

    Thanks Vince for the clarification.

  • belcris71belcris71 Posts: 5

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/change_log#public_build_channel seems to be offline.  Do you have someplace else to look?

  • specta3specta3 Posts: 32

    Still no updates on this ? i  cant see anything on the Iray server are any info on the site . Have they give up on it ?

  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,590

    I don't think there is any change in the Studio Client. It still can't queue jobs, and therefore only works with Quadro based 'Interactive' mode.

    The server itself went commercial a few months ago and you get it direct from nVidia. Judging from the licencing costs, it's probably not aimed at the average DAZ Studio user!

    DAZ have obviously been kept busy with numerous Iray and Pascal updates, I would guess full server support will become a higher priority when online Iray rendering services begin appearing.

  • specta3specta3 Posts: 32
    prixat said:

    I don't think there is any change in the Studio Client. It still can't queue jobs, and therefore only works with Quadro based 'Interactive' mode.

    The server itself went commercial a few months ago and you get it direct from nVidia. Judging from the licencing costs, it's probably not aimed at the average DAZ Studio user!

    DAZ have obviously been kept busy with numerous Iray and Pascal updates, I would guess full server support will become a higher priority when online Iray rendering services begin appearing.

    Thanks for the information , i was looking in to it yesterday i am running on a 1080  . They have a new server now thats accepts pascal . But no documentation on setting up anything from daz beta cloud to there forum . Not sure why Daz keeps this menu option if its still not working . I have a 90 day trial , going to run it from 3Dmax see how it goes

  • cridgitcridgit Posts: 1,757
    edited May 2022

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  • AndySAndyS Posts: 1,438

    Ähh sorry, a very silly question:

    What you described does it mean I have to build up my own server farm? Spend several K$ for what?
    Everyone has to build his own server farm?

    I though the idea was to connect to a commercial server farm and, for a low fee, send a suitable (set of) file(s) to that farm for batch-rendering and get the resulting picture. Without any need to have own expensive GPU cards and to save the astronomical times, I spent up to know with my pc rendering cpu-only.

  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,590

    The server can be used in both scenarios. All you need to connect to the server is the web address and username/password.

    It does not matter if the server is on the otherside of the room or on the other side of the world.

    I could have given you a login and address for my server, before it timed out, and you could have gone wild on my 1GB 550ti. cheeky

     

    In practice a commercial server would have to do a bit more than just verify your password. It would have to check if you're paid up, or have credit left, have proper reporting and billing etc. It's possible that the DS client would not be enough and we would require proprietary plugins for each render service.

    I have not checked all of these, one of them may support DS or at least accept ".mi" files exported from DS.

    http://rentrender.com/iray-render-farms/

  • cridgitcridgit Posts: 1,757
    edited May 2022

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  • AndySAndyS Posts: 1,438

    Sorry again,

    cridgit said:
    ... Once you've purchased the hardware you can use 24x7x365 almost for free.

    that's what is irritating me.
    The post above stated that I don't need own render hardware. For the fees I can get an account and connect for rendering when ever I need it.

    Now you talk about some own hardware. What is this?
    I don't want to and I'm not able to purchase and build up an own render farm / datacenter !!

    Next question:
    What is the max. capacity (GPU-RAM) for the renders?
    Sometimes the scenes with photorealistic environment occupy about 20GB of RAM on my CPU-only machine.

  • cridgitcridgit Posts: 1,757
    edited May 2022

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  • DigiDotzDigiDotz Posts: 515
    edited January 2017
    cridgit said:
    Of course you don't need to buy additional machines and build your own data center, but you can follow the same approach I explained in my tutorial using Amazon instances for example. Then you have your own Iray render farm in the cloud.

    Hopefully its clearer now.

    Hi, I'm struggling to get iray server set up on AWS, it installs but fails to run with "worker" errors. I wonder if its a security setting problem.

    also, just used the update to 2.1 but now it sayd no license could be found         grrrrrrrrrrr

    ..If it worked it would be a great option and not too expensive if using spot priced on instances

    Post edited by DigiDotz on
  • xxvinal77xxxxvinal77xx Posts: 11
    DigiDotz said:
    cridgit said:
    Of course you don't need to buy additional machines and build your own data center, but you can follow the same approach I explained in my tutorial using Amazon instances for example. Then you have your own Iray render farm in the cloud.

    Hopefully its clearer now.

    Hi, I'm struggling to get iray server set up on AWS, it installs but fails to run with "worker" errors. I wonder if its a security setting problem.

    also, just used the update to 2.1 but now it sayd no license could be found         grrrrrrrrrrr

    ..If it worked it would be a great option and not too expensive if using spot priced on instances

    same here, cant find a tutorial anywhere. its something to do with ips, ect.
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