Kento 8.1

GordigGordig Posts: 10,173

New character! Hot, younger, fit-but-not-jacked Asian man. Love the character, but neither bundle has enough that I want to really entice me. The Battle Boar is cool as long as you can turn off the texture-based fur.

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  • I am beyond excited! I love Lee in every generation but have since moved on to 8.1 and their resources. Now I can bring my Lee 8 character up to date!!! I wonder if he's supposed to be a replacement for Lee or just a new based male Asian core character?
  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,173

    Apart from the obligatory Michael and Victoria, I wouldn't expect any other G8 base figures to be replicated in 8.1, so I wouldn't think of Kento as an updated Lee.

  • HylasHylas Posts: 5,070
    Neat! I don't think he'll replace Kwan as my favourite Asian male character, but he's a nice addition.
  • Does someone know which outfit he wears in the 16th picture? The black one with the fur?

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,901

    I like the character a lot. His HD surprises me though; looking at the promos, it looks like all it does is to provide additional skin detail.

    I mean... that's ALL it does. Normally, for males, the HD provides additional muscle, wrinkle/crease, and vein detail, as well as skin. Even allowing that he's not as muscular as Lee or Darius or Vladimir or Brute, I'm surprised that there's basically nothing at all in that direction.

  • TraceSLTraceSL Posts: 529
    edited April 2022

    Kaiya_Kazue said:

    Does someone know which outfit he wears in the 16th picture? The black one with the fur?

    Second this, would like to know. 

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,515
    edited April 2022
  • arks0ngarks0ng Posts: 273

    TraceSL said:

    Kaiya_Kazue said:

    Does someone know which outfit he wears in the 16th picture? The black one with the fur?

    Second this, would like to know. 

    Raven's Watch for Night Guard | Daz 3D

    I think it's this texture on Night Guard for gen2. I've got it, it's a reaaaaally sweet set

  • arks0ngarks0ng Posts: 273
    edited April 2022

    I like the character quite a lot, but I really just can't justify buying it. The bundle deal is fairly non-existant (I mean, it looks like you'd have to buy the metamixer and hd twice to get the opporunity to buy some environments for $7 each that were for sale for $3 last month), 60% off some weapons isn't really that exciting, and... well, that's it. *sigh*

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  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,977
    What's the outfit with the long hooded coat where he's holding a spear?
  • Write IdeaWrite Idea Posts: 324

    a kitbash

    https://www.daz3d.com/viking-raider-outfit-for-genesis-8-males

    is the cape

    and maybe

    https://www.daz3d.com/monster-slayer-outfit-for-genesis-8-male

    It's the https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-azurite-outfit-for-genesis-8-and-81-males set with darkened add-on textures. The Monster slayer outfit only has two buckles on the body piece, the azurite outfit has three. 

  • ALLIEKATBLUE said:

    What's the outfit with the long hooded coat where he's holding a spear?

    This https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/lyones-dforce-number-04-for-g8m/139037/

  • LinwellyLinwelly Posts: 5,976

    I like the morph, not sure about the skin. From the promo renders it looks kind of toony even when it has a lot of detail, I probably need to see a render from someone else to decide

  • sidsid Posts: 458
    edited April 2022

    I buy most of the core male characters, I can't help it. I'm not sure how I feel about him, but some renders for your interest. He has attachment eyebrows! I don't have anyone's HD here, apart from Kwan's. Daz 4.16, files hosted on imjur, no tweaks to textures.

    Default lights:

    Render set (Click N Render):

    Wearing Lee 8 All Maps:

    With Teeth (only got to 85% render):

     

    With Lee 8 and Kwan-HD 8:

    With Wolfgang and Noska:

    My favourite Gen 8 Asian men were non-core, so I'll post a render with them if they finish before bedtime.

    Edit:

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  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited April 2022

    There's something common to pretty much all 8.1 skins that bugs me...like this...sort of...uniform texturality (is that a word?) or overlay or...something. Skin doesn't have a uniform texture from head to toe...what is under your eyes should look different from what is on your neck and both should look different from what is on your arm, etc. 

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  • LinwellyLinwelly Posts: 5,976

    thanks a lot for all those renders @sid some interesting comparisons, seems he has a lot of blue tones and a low SSS as standart setting

    I guess what MelissaGT said is what makes me think of the skin as toony

  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,977

    sid said:

    I buy most of the core male characters, I can't help it. I'm not sure how I feel about him, but some renders for your interest. He has attachment eyebrows! I don't have anyone's HD here, apart from Kwan's. Daz 4.16, files hosted on imjur, no tweaks to textures.

     

    My favourite Gen 8 Asian men were non-core, so I'll post a render with them if they finish before bedtime.

    Edit:

    Who are these guys?

  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,977

    zombietaggerung said:

    ALLIEKATBLUE said:

    What's the outfit with the long hooded coat where he's holding a spear?

    This https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/lyones-dforce-number-04-for-g8m/139037/

    Thanks

  • TriCounterTriCounter Posts: 558

    Nothing says futuristic male if not some old trees and a female model promo dressed in fantasy clothing!  Bundles are not even tenuously themed!

  • FenixPhoenixFenixPhoenix Posts: 3,112

    ALLIEKATBLUE said:

    sid said:

    I buy most of the core male characters, I can't help it. I'm not sure how I feel about him, but some renders for your interest. He has attachment eyebrows! I don't have anyone's HD here, apart from Kwan's. Daz 4.16, files hosted on imjur, no tweaks to textures.

     

    My favourite Gen 8 Asian men were non-core, so I'll post a render with them if they finish before bedtime.

    Edit:

    Who are these guys?

    The first guy looks like: https://www.daz3d.com/haru-hd-for-kwan-8

    The third guy kind of looks like: https://www.daz3d.com/wufei-hd-for-genesis-8-male

    Not sure the second one, but I love his eyebrows!

  • CHWTCHWT Posts: 1,183
    Outshines Lee 7 (my favorite Asian male character). Love him, except the skin. Whoever doing the promo renders really should change the lighting. Waxy skin is never flattering...
  • SorelSorel Posts: 1,406
    We must looking at different pictures. The skin looks like hard plastic in the promos.
  • psfilipepsfilipe Posts: 164

    Character looks fine. I just wish they had a G8 version.
    All my G8.1 render in white because I'm still using 4.12 indecision

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288

    Like the morph. Like the pig. Actially like the SF uniform jacket, no idea what I'd use it for. No interest whatsoever in the bundles. Definitely an offer to cherry pick from rather than to invest in the whole package.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    Hey, not bad. I think either the bump or normal maps might be a bit too strong, but Kento looks pretty cool.

    MelissaGT said:

    There's something common to pretty much all 8.1 skins that bugs me...like this...sort of...uniform texturality (is that a word?) or overlay or...something. Skin doesn't have a uniform texture from head to toe...what is under your eyes should look different from what is on your neck and both should look different from what is on your arm, etc. 

    That has to be the tiling you see. The PBR Skin has a tiling detail option for normal and bump maps. Most of the maps used for the detail texture are like 50x50 or so in size, and are tiled like a 100 times over that surface. So yeah, this is exactly what you see. That was my complaint from the start of 8.1. I much prefer to use an extra large bump or normal map that is custom so it contain all the proper details. Of course that can increase RAM and VRAM needed, but your eyes don't lie, the results are what matters. 

    It is possible to use the tiling and keep detail, but it requires careful balance with a detail weight map which tones down the tiled effect in certain areas so the regular normal or bump can shine through. But IMO that defeats the purpose of using the tiling in the first place because you still need to make that big normal or bump map.

    If I get Kento I will probably kill the detail section and use some Bluejaunte roughness maps that I converted to the male UV to get the skin detail effect. (I wish Bluejaunte would make a guy, just once.)

  • sidsid Posts: 458

    FenixPhoenix said:

    ALLIEKATBLUE said:

    sid said:

    I buy most of the core male characters, I can't help it. I'm not sure how I feel about him, but some renders for your interest. He has attachment eyebrows! I don't have anyone's HD here, apart from Kwan's. Daz 4.16, files hosted on imjur, no tweaks to textures.

     

    My favourite Gen 8 Asian men were non-core, so I'll post a render with them if they finish before bedtime.

    Edit:

    Who are these guys?

    The first guy looks like: https://www.daz3d.com/haru-hd-for-kwan-8

    The third guy kind of looks like: https://www.daz3d.com/wufei-hd-for-genesis-8-male

    Not sure the second one, but I love his eyebrows!

    Sorry, chucked em up before bed and forgot import details, but Haru and Wufei are correct. Also didn't notice I buried Wufei's feet, or that Haru's skull cap through, not their fault!

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    outrider42 said:

    Hey, not bad. I think either the bump or normal maps might be a bit too strong, but Kento looks pretty cool.

    MelissaGT said:

    There's something common to pretty much all 8.1 skins that bugs me...like this...sort of...uniform texturality (is that a word?) or overlay or...something. Skin doesn't have a uniform texture from head to toe...what is under your eyes should look different from what is on your neck and both should look different from what is on your arm, etc. 

    That has to be the tiling you see. The PBR Skin has a tiling detail option for normal and bump maps. Most of the maps used for the detail texture are like 50x50 or so in size, and are tiled like a 100 times over that surface. So yeah, this is exactly what you see. That was my complaint from the start of 8.1. I much prefer to use an extra large bump or normal map that is custom so it contain all the proper details. Of course that can increase RAM and VRAM needed, but your eyes don't lie, the results are what matters. 

    Haha yes, I was being semi-sarcastic, as I haven't been a fan of the 8.1 skins (the PBR Skin Shader itself) from the start.  

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,672
    edited April 2022

    Kento 8.1 looks great. I see a 'line' for lack of a better term in his midsection, which I can't explain though.  I also think the Rudolf Top Hair looks great! 

    The bundle is odd, and I did not buy much else in it. 

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  • I quite like the Battle Boar, but the product details indicate that the included poses are only for females? Can the non-hierarchical poses be used with the guys, or do they suffer from daz-female-arched-back-itus?

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,031

    vwrangler said:

    I like the character a lot. His HD surprises me though; looking at the promos, it looks like all it does is to provide additional skin detail.

    I mean... that's ALL it does. Normally, for males, the HD provides additional muscle, wrinkle/crease, and vein detail, as well as skin. Even allowing that he's not as muscular as Lee or Darius or Vladimir or Brute, I'm surprised that there's basically nothing at all in that direction.

    I second that emotion, but his skin has that Michael 8.1 uniformity that kills verisimilitude. The AntFarm's Boar is awesome (like everything else he does)! Daz is destroying bundles. 

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