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I once met a guy who only listened to electronic dance music. Only.
I just... stared and backed away slowly.
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves.
To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms.
Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development.
When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
CS Lewis
GANTZ, there isn't way to clasify this like kid friendly.
My all-time favorite is Fantasia. I loved it the first time I saw it, many moons ago. Almost 73 and I still love watching it and marvel at work that was put into it.
Let the person remain in their ingnorance and just move on and enjoy your life. Dont let them steal your joy all because they dont dream as big as you do.
Yeah...but...
Most movies these days have some animation in them...no, not the 'traditional' animation, but things like crowd scenes done with Massive or stunts done with 'digital doubles'. All of that is animation...computer animation, but still animation. So, if all animation is for 'kids', then I guess most movies these days are kids films...
And the list grows daily.
I think my first music history teacher explained it best (about music but it applies to most art). There's different genres/styles and there's good/bad, but they aren't in any way related to one another. A genre/style may not appeal to you (animated stuff in your coworkers case), but that doesn't mean its necessarily bad, just not to your taste.
The adult/children split is another kettle of stupid fish. I hate how "Its not for kids, really" is a thing and a complement. Children are way more aware than I think people give them credit for, and the best thing is to give them entertainment that stretches their brains, rather than talking down to them because "they're just kids".
Pinpointing my age a bit here, but my favorite TV shows growing up were Animaniacs and Batman TAS. My favorite movie was Fox and the Hound, which IMO makes Up look positively chipper and straightforwards by comparison. Batman had an entire episode dedicated to an abusive relationship.
Until I got a job at Disney, my family thought my being an artist was something only associated with "starving". It was only when I started at the studios that I was finally legitimate. It's just the way my family saw it.
You have to hang on to your dreams. Who cares what others think?
My brother was really into animé and he got a lot of ribbing for liking "cartoons" as an adult. He didn't give a damn. He liked them and that's all he cared. It never took the enjoyment away from him.
There will always be someone who will enjoy making fun of you for something or the other and you can either affect you or not. You have full control over that. If it gives you joy, that's excellent and if you end up making money with what you love to do, won't that be the best revenge of all?
here's a movie that'll break your heart, old or young.. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095327/
and of course The Iron Giant is a great film for all ages(Superman!)
Cleaning restrooms is a respectable job. Shining shoes is a respectable job. Being a billionaire CEO who sells complete crap is a respectable job. Why do you care what people think? It's your passion - not theirs
...the soundtrack was to die for.
But... But... But... That's Not the sames....
(Ah, the metal gymnastics people can do... I should know, some of the justifications I've come up with for making Daz purchases...)
But... But... But... That's Not the sames....
(Ah, the metal gymnastics people can do... I should know, some of the justifications I've come up with for making Daz purchases...)
Logic...a tool for intelligent discourse...or a weapon of intellectual destruction...take your pick.
I have a good Friend, who is a real pain like that:
He Loves Scifi, so long as it is StarTrek, Starwars, or Dr.Who.
Hates anything remotely Fantasy and doesn't like most other scifi. I did get him to watch the 1950's Forbidden Planet, which he did say he liked.
He claims to Love Horror, So long as it is 1980's slasher or its derivatives.
Hates any monster type horror, including things like 28 days later as it was a monster film.
He is gay, and like gay themed movies, but refuses to watch Brokeback mountain, because they are wearing cowboy hats.
I'm no fan of 60-70 spaghetti westerns, but Brokeback Mountain is anything but.
Claims to Love Comedies, so long as they are the awkward teenagers trying to get laid kind.
Hated The Princess Bride (too much fantasy), Clue, and any Mel Brooks We've watched.
Love Cher, has stated that he wants to father Chers babies. Has seen Cher 4 times in concert.
Dismissed the idea of seeing Burlesque, (ok, not a great movie, but he wasn't going to watch it BEFORE any reviews had been released), because it was a musical.
SuperHero movies: they are just out.
Animation: well, sometimes.
Basically, he has a very limited taste in movies, and has no interest in trying anything outside of what he knows. I've found the easiest thing to do is just let him pick the movies, as I have a much wider interests. I no longer try to get him to watch anything, as If I force him, he just seems to hate it more. It's kind of sad really, to not even want to try things. I may not like some Genras, but I don't dismiss things without trying them.
...I didn't make it to Disneyland until I was almost 40. Had a wonderful time.
...yeah, we all have our likes & dislikes. For myself, not a huge fan of "sword & sorcery" literature/film. I've read many novels, seen many films in the genre and even have a few favourites (because of a good storyline and good characters). However, most of my fiction library is primarily SF, political intrigue, and dystopic novels.
Yeah I'll admit, I'm also a Xena and Buffy, (as well as the spinoff series Angel) fan in part due to how outrageous those programmes were. Xena in particular was so strange, as one episode would be dead serious, then the next, a total comedic farce. As to Buffy, te idea of high schoolers fighting vampires and casting spells just and an odd appeal (it also had a lot of good undertones relating to RL issues). While not much into the concept of magic (rarely ever played a spellcaster in an RPG), strangely Willow was my favorite character. Actually saw the original film that inspired the series.
Not much into horror either - well, of the gratuitous "slasher" variety. - though I will take a good Zombie film any day as well as anything that deals with a certain winged tentacle faced .being we all know and fear. :ohh:
I find that I go to more movies than I stay to see the end. It's an "oh god, not one of these again" syndrome. A learned phobia.
It's a lot cheaper to wait until Netflix starts streaming it...
...years ago a friend who went to see the 80s release of Hercules (the one with Lou Ferrigno) for 99¢. Hs said it was so bad that after seeing Lou hurl things into space in the first fifteen minutes, he got up left but not before stopping at the box office to demand his 99¢ back.
It's a lot cheaper to wait until Netflix starts streaming it...
...I wait for second runs of films to hit the neighbourhood cinema where I can get in for 3$, order a pint of craft brewed beer for 4$ instead of a glass of flavoured fructose syrup, water, and ice that costs as much (if not more), and a generous slice of excellent pizza (on hand tossed crust) for 3$ instead of Santinas covered plastic cheese sauce or bucket of popcorn drowned in artificially flavoured canola oil.for twice as much.
Crikey the price of admission alone to most first run cinemas would cover the cost my ticket, two pints, and two slices of pizza at the local one.. I mean, it's not like the storyline of the film is going to change between it's premiere and the day I go see it.
...I wait for second runs of films to hit the neighbourhood cinema where I can get in for 3$, order a pint of craft brewed beer for 4$ instead of a glass of flavoured fructose syrup, water, and ice that costs as much (if not more), and a generous slice of excellent pizza (on hand tossed crust) for 3$ instead of Santinas covered plastic cheese sauce or bucket of popcorn drowned in artificially flavoured canola oil.for twice as much.
Crikey the price of admission alone to most first run cinemas would cover the cost my ticket, two pints, and two slices of pizza at the local one.. I mean, it's not like the storyline of the film is going to change between it's premiere and the day I go see it.
Unless of course, you get one of those movies with Random Endings.....
...years ago a friend who went to see the 80s release of Hercules (the one with Lou Ferrigno) for 99¢. Hs said it was so bad that after seeing Lou hurl things into space in the first fifteen minutes, he got up left but not before stopping at the box office to demand his 99¢ back.
Yeah, I normally just walk out after a half hour of painful eye daggers and dialog bombs and don't bother about getting my money back, it's like demanding a refund on a half eaten tough steak, not worth the trouble. However, a few weeks ago I went to see what I thought was another take on the recent spate of Sleeping Beauty spin-offs like "Mirror Mirror". The movie? "Into the Woods". It took me 10 minutes to realize it was a $@%#$#@$$#@ musical! :vampire: I walked out and got my $7.00 back but took my popcorn with me. I hate musicals, I really really hate musicals. (as everybody in this forum now looks weirdly at me and backs away slowly) %-P
So what did I do last night? I noticed that DISH TV has the movie "Strange Magic" on pay-per-view now. I noticed it when it came out in the theater and thought "wow, what wonderful animation rendering" but I rarely go to a 2D movie anymore and promised myself I'd wait until it came to TV. OK, so I rented it, recorded it on the DVR and started playing it back only to quickly realize it was a $@%#$@#$ MUSICAL. GHAAAA.... If I'd gone to see it in the theater I would have walked out. But since I'd recorded it I used the DVR skip and fast-forward buttons to skip all the @%#$@#@$ singing, get the idea of the plot and I watched the whole thing in about 18 minutes. Totally predictable and disappointing on many levels. But it had incredible animation and rendering. (*sigh*).
So, what did I do today??? I went to see the new Disney film "Tommorowland". Thank god (i.e. Disney) it's not a musical but if I'd had to listen to those dweeby little girls screech at each other for one more minute I would have walked out before the plot really got going. In total the film wasn't a total loser, but it could have been so much better. :smirk:
Perhaps I should add that I hate musicals because I can't understand lyrics. My brain just isn't wired right or something. All I hear is mumble, mumble, wah, wah, wah, like adults in Charlie Brown cartoons. Words set to music just don't register with me unless I see the lyrics on paper at the same time like on album covers or CD info sheets. Correspondingly, I never attend choral recitals and don't like pop music with lyrics. This is probably the reason I have gravitated to orchestra music like symphonies and concertos.
...for me it's opera. I like the orchestra part, it's the flambouyant bel canto style of singing (usually in a foreign language I don't know) that turns me off.
German opera is a bit odd in that it also has a lot of spoken dialogue (more like a...GASP...Musical). Actually don't mind musicals all that much (well, the older "classic" ones) particularly when it's a live performances instead of film.
On the other hand I love large oratorio and choral works as the voice quality is usually more mellow rather than showy. Also Latin lends itself better to music than other languages (especially German and Russian).
The one turn off for me in Disney films (especially animated features) are the songs. I found the lack of such in Brave and Maleficent to be a strong point of both films and very refreshing. I could understand if it is actually a part of the plot (like the main or one of the supporting characters are actually singers) but to just break out in song during a film for no reason makes little sense and I think takes away from the story being told.
Hopefully Tomorrowland doesn't have any songs (or does it?).
...oh, and on the topic of claiming "not for children", in the case of the story I am working on it does have validity as it has a heavy dystopic undertone that involves a good deal of political intrigue as well as touches on issues like ethnic cleansing and child soldiers.
Teens probably wouldn't have trouble with it, but I wouldn't consider it suitable for for young children.
No, no singing in "Tomorrowland".
Yeah, I'm not overly fond of opera. However, the music from opera is often quite good, or at least there are a couple good songs from the better operas. Much the same as Broadway shows which are, for all intents and purposes, modern operas. The few operas I've attended have been in major theaters like the Kennedy Center opera house and at Wolftrap where they have surtitles in electric signage above the stage so the language and words don't present a problem for me. Most of my operatic exposure is from TV or DVD. I don't like German opera (eg. Wagner) the music is good but the stories are schmaltzy or pontifical and way too lengthy. But even though I like some of the music, I still find opera mostly silly and tedious. However, I have gone to see live performances of Mozart's "Marriage of Figaro" (three times), as well as Puccini's "Gianni Schicchi", and Rimsky-Korsakov's "Mlada". This summer I'm finally going to get to see Tchaikovsky's "Eugene Onegin" at Chautauqua. (I hope they have surtitle signage) Ah ha, yep, just checked and they do have surtitles.
http://ciweb.org/calendar-month/eventdetail/3140/98/eugene-onegin
And if you think German makes rough sounding operas, try Russian! The performance of "Mlada" I attended was in Russian by the Bolshoi Opera Company. It's about as close to Klingon Opera as you're going to find on Earth*. ;-) Thank god, for the surtitles. But the best thing I took away from "Mlada" was the "Procession of the Nobles". You may recognize it as the theme song of one of the Sunday news talk shows a decade or two ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzJ5eVrGYN0
Ah yes, Google is my friend. "Inside Washington" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Washington
* No offense intended to German and Russian speakers, English isn't that great an operatic language either. :-P
Anime goes form G all the way up to R or X rated.
Ghost in the Shell movie is R-rated.
So I'm not sure how your frind got the idea animations are kids only. Unless they have only seen the older Disney animated films.
Into the Woods is a 30 year old Tony award winning play. How do you not know it's a musical?
(And I think the motivator for a lot of the dark twist/deconstrucitonist fairy tales that have come after).
That said, the movie was a very...very..VERY poor version of the play.
How do you know it's a musical? You mean Into the Woods or something else?
I do love musicals and, in particular, Stephen Sondheim's. Sometime, LeatherGryphon, you might read the lyrics for some of the best musicals, because they are often clever and can be very poignant. I remember when I didn't like opera. Then I had a music teacher who decided to take us to an opera, but before we went, we spent an afternoon going through the libretto and learning what the lyrics were saying and what the story was about and from that moment on, I was hooked. Same with Shakespeare. It's all in taking the time to learn about these wonderful turns of phrases and how rich the language can be.
If it's not someone's cup of tea, whether it's musicals, animation, opera, whatever, then it isn't. Doesn't change my enjoyment or diminish my pleasure.
Yes, that musical thingy caused me problems, but with music in general... most of the time, the lyrics were in English (which is a secondary language to me), and even nowadays, I only understand half of what is said in song texts - if at all. So I have to look a song up in the internet or elsewhere, to actually understand what is sung. But if I had shunned pop&Rock; music, my life would be so much more silent now. :-)
Or watching Korean/Japanese/Chinese drama series before they have completed translation of the subtitles? Now, you don't understand a thing, but you get an entire different experience out of it compared from when you actually understand what is said. Try it on dramafever or viki. ;-)
So... unless the fact alone that people do sing in a movie is a turn off for you (which I can understand as well), I'd just enjoy it as if I was watching a silent movie. In a musical, there is enough talking around the songs that will help you understand. The songs are for emphasis, most of the time. But the music has emotion in it, just like the pantomiming of a silent movie actor tells you all you need to know. :-)
Never let a "handicap" keep you from enjoying something, because you don't experience it like everyone else and that makes you feel frustrated. There's no reason to feel embarrassed about it. :-)
Hate to see his reaction to me playing with "Digital Dolls" in DS.
Thank you everyone who posted. I do not know why I got so offended by my coworker For some reason I have been moody a lot lately.