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Tesla for IRay?

Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,639
edited December 1969 in Daz Studio Discussion

I was looking idly through the list of graphics cards on a shop site and the Nvidia Tesla stood out, mainly because it is about ten times as expensive as any other NVidia card. The shop site describes it as a graphics card but the NVidia site describes it as a GPU accelerator.

Now there is no way I could afford this but I was wondering if Daz Studio could use it for IRay renders? It does have Cuda cores, but can Daz Studio use cores on an accelerator card as well as on an ordinary graphics card? If so it might be interesting to wait to see if anything like this comes out at a more affordable price.

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  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    Peter Wade said:
    The shop site describes it as a graphics card but the NVidia site describes it as a GPU accelerator.

    Graphics accelerator...fancy marketing term for expensive video card.

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,639
    edited December 1969

    mjc1016 said:
    Peter Wade said:
    The shop site describes it as a graphics card but the NVidia site describes it as a GPU accelerator.

    Graphics accelerator...fancy marketing term for expensive video card.

    I'm not so sure in this case. The NVidia site talks about using it to solve complex computational problems and dealing with large datasets. The page doesn't mention graphics at all, doesn't even say if it has a video output.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Peter Wade said:
    I was looking idly through the list of graphics cards on a shop site and the Nvidia Tesla stood out, mainly because it is about ten times as expensive as any other NVidia card. The shop site describes it as a graphics card but the NVidia site describes it as a GPU accelerator.

    Now there is no way I could afford this but I was wondering if Daz Studio could use it for IRay renders? It does have Cuda cores, but can Daz Studio use cores on an accelerator card as well as on an ordinary graphics card? If so it might be interesting to wait to see if anything like this comes out at a more affordable price.

    The Short Answer is yes.

    Tesla cards are strictly CUDA Devices and have no Video outputs. They are equivalent to Quadro cards. The K20 is a K5000 and the K40 is a K6000. The K80 is two K40 cards on the same slot. (There are older models you can find occasionally.)

    One major caveat: Tesla cards and Quadro cards work fine together but there are driver issues if you mix either (or both) with a Geforce Card.

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,249
    edited December 1969

    hey 30% price drop on this one!
    If I did not have about 20 years left on a mortgage I would so be on this deal:

    http://www.memory4less.com/m4l_itemdetail.aspx?itemid=1476942608&partno=90Y2413&rid=90&origin=pla&gclid=CIbGosr938UCFQOUfgodcCMAUg

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    Trying to be funny...

    Yes, it's not strictly speaking a 'video' card...but it has all the functions/features of one...minus the connection to a monitor. They are more like a 'co-processor' card. They are more for workstations that don't need monitors because all they do is render work or other 'heavy lifting' (compositing, etc).

    And like Spooky said, they don't mix well with 'regular' cards...

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    StratDragon said:
    hey 30% price drop on this one!
    If I did not have about 20 years left on a mortgage I would so be on this deal:

    http://www.memory4less.com/m4l_itemdetail.aspx?itemid=1476942608&partno=90Y2413&rid=90&origin=pla&gclid=CIbGosr938UCFQOUfgodcCMAUg

    That is a bit steep, the K40 is usually in the $4000-$5000 range.
  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited May 2015

    http://www.amazon.com/Nvidia-Accelerator-passive-cooling-900-22080-0000-000/dp/B00Q7O7PQA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1432665590&sr=8-3

    Yeah, that price, originally posted, is really steep.

    Post edited by DAZ_Spooky on
  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,639
    edited December 1969

    Judging by the comments here these cards aren't intended for the average consumer. Maybe if IRay gets used more they will make stuff like this that does work with ordinary graphics cards and costs a bit less. Then again, this is a minority hobby, and I doubt that even Daz can control the way NVidia sell their stuff. Still, we can always dream.......

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Peter Wade said:
    Judging by the comments here these cards aren't intended for the average consumer. Maybe if IRay gets used more they will make stuff like this that does work with ordinary graphics cards and costs a bit less. Then again, this is a minority hobby, and I doubt that even Daz can control the way NVidia sell their stuff. Still, we can always dream.......
    They are intended for Professional users as a second card as far as this use goes.
  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_Spooky said:
    They are intended for Professional users as a second card as far as this use goes.

    Or third card...

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,249
    edited May 2015

    Peter Wade said:
    Judging by the comments here these cards aren't intended for the average consumer. Maybe if IRay gets used more they will make stuff like this that does work with ordinary graphics cards and costs a bit less. Then again, this is a minority hobby, and I doubt that even Daz can control the way NVidia sell their stuff. Still, we can always dream.......

    It's rare you see a top end card with components that are off limits to the higher end of the spectrum, they are usually better at very specific tasks, but a $4000 card is not going to "blow the doors off" a $500 card for day to day use. Not too long ago we had someone here who dropped a lot of cash on a specialized video card that retailed for about $1200.00 new but found it was slower than the $100 card they already had. It was a specialized card that assisted wonderfully with Photoshop filters but for 3D it was not the way to go, and they did not want to be told differently when they asked, and they bought and they learned for themselves. I may spend about $225 on a new card, mine is 6 years old and simply crashes with Iray and $225 might not break the bank for me (goodbye Bigsby whammy bar for my gibson though!) so the investment depends on doing some homework, asking questions and knowing the limits of what you can do and what your equipment can do and what you expect to get in return for that investment.

    Post edited by StratDragon on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,344
    edited December 1969

    mjc1016 said:
    DAZ_Spooky said:
    They are intended for Professional users as a second card as far as this use goes.

    Or third card...

    The poor man's VCA. For certain values of poor.

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,176
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_Spooky said:
    Peter Wade said:
    Judging by the comments here these cards aren't intended for the average consumer. Maybe if IRay gets used more they will make stuff like this that does work with ordinary graphics cards and costs a bit less. Then again, this is a minority hobby, and I doubt that even Daz can control the way NVidia sell their stuff. Still, we can always dream.......
    They are intended for Professional users as a second card as far as this use goes.

    I think their primary application is in the newer gpu-based supercomputer clusters. Particle physics and weather simulations eat a lot of double-precision floating point gpu cycles. Iray doesn't need double-precision floating point.

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    namffuak said:
    DAZ_Spooky said:
    Peter Wade said:
    Judging by the comments here these cards aren't intended for the average consumer. Maybe if IRay gets used more they will make stuff like this that does work with ordinary graphics cards and costs a bit less. Then again, this is a minority hobby, and I doubt that even Daz can control the way NVidia sell their stuff. Still, we can always dream.......
    They are intended for Professional users as a second card as far as this use goes.

    I think their primary application is in the newer gpu-based supercomputer clusters. Particle physics and weather simulations eat a lot of double-precision floating point gpu cycles. Iray doesn't need double-precision floating point.

    Or large production rendering...

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 11,611
    edited December 1969

    In the interest of keeping information where people can find it, we're pointing people to this thread which takes you to threads where you can get more information and ask questions.

    We're trying to make it easier for people to find things and if we can use one of the threads listed in the IRAY thread, that means fewer places to have to look for answers or ask questions.

  • kitakoredazkitakoredaz Posts: 3,526
    edited December 1969

    IRay is for daz studio only.

    then if admin try to gather infomation about I ray, in forum ,
    please make them as sticky and show it in "daz studio discussion" too.
    I seldom check "The commons" when I need techinical infomation or help about each daz aprication.

    And I think, gatherring all question for I ray of ds as one topic, actually not useful .
    without someone gather and order questions as Q and A

    I believe many user hope to ask individual quesiton about Iray.
    if DAZ recommend to ask questions in one topic, we may need to wait untill each quesiton solved.

    Usually I check topic if there are no reply or someone already try to answer,
    then may try to reply if there has been no answer. (if I think, I can answer or can some help)
    it is same when I ask questions.

    I am a lttile bit nervous now, because, I really feel daz do not know way to offer clear infomation .

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited May 2015

    Well...
    https://helpdaz.zendesk.com/entries/67520170-System-Recommendations-for-DAZ-Studio-4-

    The Admins here are not employees of DAZ. They are users like you and me, who have volunteered to moderate the forum.
    As for the thread.location, Most people come to Commons or nee user section of the forum for questions, rarely here.

    Post edited by BeeMKay on
  • kitakoredazkitakoredaz Posts: 3,526
    edited December 1969

    Hi Yes I know, admins are volunteer. (some of them are vendor too)
    and they modelate and decide about forum .

    If I think it is not useful , I hope to say frankly so. :)
    I do not think I need to hesitate it　or I shut my mouth.

    As for the thread.location,
    Usually 　”common” forum is not used for specific aprication question.
    (not mean, I hope to stop or restict question about ds in common forum, just think so,
    it depend on user .

    cominicasion, show render, or vendor advertise, or easy talking,questions about everything

    if there is no i daz studio forum, I must need to use, "common". but there is already "daz studio forum" here.
    why we do not use here to ask about Iray?

    and hope make sticky link here as same as common forum. if admin plan to gather iray question.

    I prefer to choose "daz stuido discussion" when I need to serch answer about daz studio.
    because here is forum about daz studio, I do not need to check each topic, if it is about ds or not .

  • kitakoredazkitakoredaz Posts: 3,526
    edited December 1969

    mm,, thanks admin OK now :down:I shut my mouth.
    I planed it to use my icon,, but it take long time to up-date,, then stick it here.

    Wip.jpg
    700 x 700 - 277K
  • JCThomasJCThomas Posts: 254
    edited December 1969

    Besides, if Octane is any indicator (and it should be) the GTX cards will out perform them in gpu renderers for ~20% cost...

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