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AOBB's Sweetheart (and v2)head morph for G8.1F inspired by Marilyn Monroe. No materials or textures.

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  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957

    If you want to be even more true to the style of the original picture, Mark, then here are some possible outfits for Sweetheart:

    https://www.daz3d.com/showgirl-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/bustier-dress-for-genesis-2-female-s

    And a matching fascinator:

    https://www.daz3d.com/hadara-hair

    Enjoy!

  • DoctorJellybeanDoctorJellybean Posts: 8,465
    edited July 2022

    Time for another render

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  • SaphirewildSaphirewild Posts: 6,668

    DoctorJellybean said:

    Time for another render

    What a beautifully done retro render of Marlynn M.!!

  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957

    A movie icon in her most iconic scene! Good job, @DoctorJellybean!smileyyes I love all the details you put into the image. It must have been quite a lot of work. Congratulations!

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  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957

    Hi Mark,

    I think the red bustier looks best. In the original image Mitchum is looking straight at the camera and I think that's a good thing. The background seems kind of dark and and oppresive to me. In general I would boost the lighting levels and go for more softer lighting that would be more flattering to the characters. Maybe try moving the camera a bit, so the characters are more centered. Those are my thoughts for now. Thank you for sharing your WIP with us! yessmiley

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  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957

    Thank you for considering my advice, Mark! I hope it will prove helpful. smiley

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  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957

    Definitely an improvement, though I don't see the Tough Guy looking straight at me (which would be the case if he looked into the camera). Love the fascinator!!! smiley

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131

    I like your latest render of them better too.

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  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957

    You are really giving this image all you've got, Mark! Good, creative thinking with the "fascinator".yes. I'm curious what you will come up with for Sweetheart alone... Have a nice vacation and remember - you are not bothering me. It is fun to observe your creative process. smiley

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  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957

    That was fun... in a "dizzy" sort of way! laugh

  • pjwhoopie@yandex.compjwhoopie@yandex.com Posts: 793

    Holy Cow!
    You guys are really awesome at this... really cool.
    From AOBB's sculpts to Mark's renders... very well done!

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  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957

    @Mark_OREZ_4815 - Thank you for showing respect to the people I sculpt and not doing with their likenesses things that they might consider offensive.

    @Chumly - Thank you!

    smiley

    AOBB

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  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957

    Looking good, Mark. Nice mood lighting, colors and posing. You've come a long way and it was all worth it! Congratulations! yessmiley

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
    edited July 2022

    Pretty darn excellent. If you've never used the Power Poser in DS to manipulate individial bones on the face rig you can get it even closer. It's really good now, I'm making the suggestion in case you've never used the tool before.

    I tried doing a portrait of them yesterday, different photo, but couldn't figure out which skin materials to use and lighting was giving me trouble. I will try again later this week maybe.

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  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957

    Hi @nonesuch00 - I really like the PBR skin material of Mousso's Rain HD for G8.1F. I believe it will work great for Sweetheart. Unfortunately, I don't have any suggestion's for Tough Guy's skin. I just used the base model's material in my promo renders. I have bought several male characters especially for their skin materials but I'm not happy with them, so no recommendations from me here.

    I'm very curious what you will come up with! smiley

  • DoctorJellybeanDoctorJellybean Posts: 8,465

    AOBB said:

    A movie icon in her most iconic scene! Good job, @DoctorJellybean!smileyyes I love all the details you put into the image. It must have been quite a lot of work. Congratulations!

    Thank you! It took a little while laugh

    Saphirewild said:

    What a beautifully done retro render of Marlynn M.!!

    Thank you very much.

    Mark_OREZ_4815 said:

    DoctorJellybean: Great image / render. Congrats. I'm happy to see our friend "sweetheart" in a new image specially when it looks good.

    I'm glad you like it.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
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    AOBB said:

    Hi @nonesuch00 - I really like the PBR skin material of Mousso's Rain HD for G8.1F. I believe it will work great for Sweetheart. Unfortunately, I don't have any suggestion's for Tough Guy's skin. I just used the base model's material in my promo renders. I have bought several male characters especially for their skin materials but I'm not happy with them, so no recommendations from me here.

    I'm very curious what you will come up with! smiley

    I don't have any Mousso characters yet (I know, SHOCK!) but I do have quite a few others. I will compare Rain to what I do have, maybe Marilla (she's a favorite of mine).  I'm also having trouble with the hair for Marilynn. I own one or two that I thought might work but they don't, in spite of one looking like her hair when she was Norma Jean Baker/Daugherty and not yet Marilyn Monroe.

    I think I will try them both as realistic and as toons (using Cartoonized) as I think Marilyn might work well using some of the materials for the characters in The Girl 8 Pro Bundle.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
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    Mark_OREZ_4815 said:

    AOBB: Thank you for your kind comment. I was motivated to improve things by following your advicew which were great ! Congratulations to you. Keep on the good morphs creation.

     

    nonesuch00:

    Thank you too ;) Didn't know the "Power Poser in DS". This is great stuf my friend. I played with the parameters/pose controls which take wastes a lot of time. I'll definitely use Power Poser on the next creations, thank you ! 

    For though guy I used: Michael 8.1 HD (but not all the details) and used one map from Thomas to Michael 8.1 (modified the cheeks to be less redish). Don't buy this products if you don't need them. 8.1 male should be enough to start. Then use AOBB morph (most important ingredient)

    Then used "Aging morphs" to had more wrinkles and rough/bad skin.

    Of course this wasnt enough. But I didnt want to edit too much the skin maps because I avoid awkward / inconsistent results. It deserves some fresh shaved skin, greyed out, I believe.

     

    Lighting is no easy task there a tons of possibilites. I believe this should be done after everything else looks good. On my image one light would be enough to get the rembrandt style.

    I did this (obviously I'm not the photograph. He his Glyn Dewis):

    One light on the side a little bit ahead of the caracters.

    Used "Iray Ghost Light Kit One" > "IGLK1 Dish Light" ... It's possible to get the same result by tweaking DS lights.

    In my case I also used 2 point lights on the top of the room, right side only .... 

    *******

    You'll find out one ton of lighting products, most important to me was to understand how lighing works in real world photography.

    I'm far from perfect on this area (I just keep scratching the surface haha). One last advice on lighting is testing, testing, testing. 

    And if money isnt a problem check this: Rosa - Complete Photo Shoot & Retouching Tutorial. I have to watch it all over again because it's so great.

    Thanks for the tips. As it happens I've had Michael 8.1 for a while and recently got Thomas on deep discount. I will try your suggestions.

    A tip on the Power Pose, while you can pose from default neutral expression to your desired expression using only Power Pose and individual face rig bones it is tedious and mistake prone. Instead pose as best and close as you can using the various expression preset products you may of bought and then tweak it at the end with Power Pose. 

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  • AOBBAOBB Posts: 957
    edited July 2022

    @nonesuch00 - a trick I've learned is to combine different hair on the same figure. For example in the promo images of Sweetheart I have used the Ingrid hair and Portia 2 hair simultaenously with pretty good results. I'll check out Marilla  - thanks for the tip.

    @Mark_OREZ_4815 - Wow! Thanks for all the info! I will check out Michael 8.1. Those Aging Morphs are pretty good. I thought I detected their use on Tough Guy's forehead in your renders... Yes, lighting is difficult to master. That is why I stick with The BOSS Pro Lighting system. Works great for promos and glamour images. I would also suggest that you look into HDRIs. You can get really great results with just an HDRI alone. I particularly like PixelTizzyFit's Neon Lighting Splash Suite and Radiant Skies (Golden Hour). Skies of Economy are very nice too. Just rotate and translate the dome in the environment tab of render settings to get the right lighting angle and you are basically set! 

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