Problem with jagged braids? Marigold hair... (genesis 8 hair on genesis 8.1 female...)

Malandar

I have never had this problem before with this hair, does anyone know how to fix this?

Apparently my problem is with trying to use a genesis 8 hair on a genesis 8.1 female model... Does anyone know how to fix this particular issue?

felis

Have the hair been autofitted to the character?

Malandar

felis said:

Have the hair been autofitted to the character?

It is a genesis 8 hair.

PixelSploiting

 Modifications to breasts conflicting with weight mapping of the hair. Like breasts under curve. Some braided hair are weighted like clothes - they conform to the upper torso. You can find and zero all transfered character chest morphs if you enable showing hidden properties in the hair.

Malandar

PixelSploiting said:

 Modifications to breasts conflicting with weight mapping of the hair. Like breasts under curve. Some braided hair are weighted like clothes - they conform to the upper torso. You can find and zero all transfered character chest morphs if you enable showing hidden properties in the hair.

 Okay I thought I had everything showing and when I click the stack in the left upper corner above the parameters tab it says show hidden is active, but there is nothing showing up.

felis

Product: https://www.daz3d.com/marigold-hair-for-genesis-3-and-genesis-8-female-s

According to the product description the braids should be rigged, and then they would not be affected by character morphs.

I asked if it was autofitted, because these defomrations is what I would expect from an autofitted hair.

And besides the product has 2 hairs, one for G3 and one for G8

Malandar

felis said:

Product: https://www.daz3d.com/marigold-hair-for-genesis-3-and-genesis-8-female-s

According to the product description the braids should be rigged, and then they would not be affected by character morphs.

I asked if it was autofitted, because these defomrations is what I would expect from an autofitted hair.

And besides the product has 2 hairs, one for G3 and one for G8

And I loaded the one for Genesis 8. I even deleted it loaded the genesis 8 version AGAIN and it started out straight and then, after a couple of seconds, went to the jagged thing again.

Malandar

BAH... Aparently  it is an issue with using Genesis 8 hair on a Genesis 8.1 figure... Well that is frigging annoying. If this crap keeps happening I will just go back to genesis 8...

Yeah I had loaded genesis 8.1 female instead of just genesis 8 female. Now anyone know if there is a workaround for this?

felis

If you select the hair, does it then have dedicated bones for the braids?

Malandar

felis said:

If you select the hair, does it then have dedicated bones for the braids?

 In the scene window? yes.

PerttiA

Custom bones do not autofollow morphs, ie. one has to adjust the bones afterwards.

Richard Haseltine

Which version of Daz Studio are you using?

Malandar

Richard Haseltine said:

Which version of Daz Studio are you using?

4.15.0.2

Daventaki

I have loaded this hair on G8.1F with no issues.  This problem happens if I use certain morphs like breast position to the left or right and/or cleavage morphs etc.

Richard Haseltine

Malandar said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Which version of Daz Studio are you using?

4.15.0.2

I think you need to update - try the Public Build, to avoid disturbing 4.15.0.2, and see if that helps.

Malandar

Richard Haseltine said:

Malandar said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Which version of Daz Studio are you using?

4.15.0.2

I think you need to update - try the Public Build, to avoid disturbing 4.15.0.2, and see if that helps.

Which one is that? I never mess with beta builds, only full releases after everything is fixed.

Escribano

Malandar said:

I have never had this problem before with this hair, does anyone know how to fix this?

Apparently my problem is with trying to use a genesis 8 hair on a genesis 8.1 female model... Does anyone know how to fix this particular issue?

Which Genesis 8.1 character are you using? I did some tests with several different 8.1 female characters. For some of them, the tails on the Marigold hair looked fine, but on others the tails had the same jagged deformation below the breasts as shown in your image.

If that is indeed the problem you are experiencing, the issue is not unique to Genesis 8.1; I had the same problem on several Genesis 8 models, not just with the Marigold hair but some other styles. Removing the character morph from the hair under Hidden Properties doesn't work, of course, because that effects all of the hair and then it no longer fits the model at all.

As I recall, the workaround I came up with was to use d-formers to pull the ends of the tails back into their correct position.

BeeMKay

https://www.daz3d.com/daz-studio-beta

The Beta is useful, i.e. if you still have work on older stuff to do, and major things change that would require a lot of conversion time (like, the emission light changes between the 4.20 version and the older versions, like you are using.

PerttiA

Escribano said:

As I recall, the workaround I came up with was to use d-formers to pull the ends of the tails back into their correct position.

The fix is to adjust the bones.

This is a common problem with any hair that has custom bones, custom being bones that can not be found on the base figure. 

Malandar

Richard Haseltine said:

Malandar said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Which version of Daz Studio are you using?

4.15.0.2

I think you need to update - try the Public Build, to avoid disturbing 4.15.0.2, and see if that helps.

Didn't do a thing other than take up space on my harddrive, still got the jagged hair.

Malandar

PerttiA said:

Escribano said:

As I recall, the workaround I came up with was to use d-formers to pull the ends of the tails back into their correct position.

The fix is to adjust the bones.

This is a common problem with any hair that has custom bones, custom being bones that can not be found on the base figure. 

Figures, I have never done that before. And it seems that it is full body morphs the hair is reacting to, and even with show hidden checked it does not display anything to remove from the hair.

PerttiA

Malandar said:

PerttiA said:

Escribano said:

As I recall, the workaround I came up with was to use d-formers to pull the ends of the tails back into their correct position.

The fix is to adjust the bones.

This is a common problem with any hair that has custom bones, custom being bones that can not be found on the base figure. 

Figures, I have never done that before. And it seems that it is full body morphs the hair is reacting to, and even with show hidden checked it does not display anything to remove from the hair.

It isn't that long ago, when I got fed up with non-functioning hair on figures that were not the default height. Then I looked at the bone structure of the hair after it had been fitted to a smaller figure... The extra bones for the braid were located way above the whole figure, still at the location where they would be for the un-morphed base figure and if one tried to pose the braid, it would distort horribly.
Took the bones downwards and the braid started posing as it should,

Escribano

PerttiA said:

It isn't that long ago, when I got fed up with non-functioning hair on figures that were not the default height. Then I looked at the bone structure of the hair after it had been fitted to a smaller figure... The extra bones for the braid were located way above the whole figure, still at the location where they would be for the un-morphed base figure and if one tried to pose the braid, it would distort horribly.
Took the bones downwards and the braid started posing as it should,

I have not tried adjusting the bones. I'll look into that the next time I have problems with hair fits. 

Alley Cat

Is there a way to make the hair dForce? A double braided dForce hair would be awesome, and I imagine wouldn't have this jagged issue