How do Famous COMIC BOOKS Maintain Their Audiences?

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,172

    Have you watched any of the recent Marvel movies? Spider-Man: No Way Home and Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness both involve multiverses, as did Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse. Avengers Endgame involved time travel, and the entire Infity War revolved around gems that can control time, alter reality and so on.

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,025
    edited September 2022

    The strength of Batman stories is that they're basically just a toolbox of symbolism, characters, and reocurring plot beats anyone can adapt. This also makes them fun to read, and if you don't like a particular take on Batman you can just wait five years for someone else to do something wildly different. As a result, people who are into it tend to just kind of swing in and out over the years.

    I am also a reclusive goth overthinker, but Bruce is a bigger disaster than me so I enjoy his drama. 

    Edit to add: Also for me personally, the magic element of the Batman setting is a big draw especially since it sits right under the surface for the most part. In my favorite interpretations, that makes the story more psychological horror or dark fantasy. I'm especially fascinated by Batman and Joker's relationship because it's metatextual--it's constantly implied that Joker knows he's a fictional character and that on some level Bruce knows it too, and while other characters question it the narrative usually validates Bruce in his choice not to kill Joker and even to consider him a friend. This makes narrative sense mostly because they're archetypes; the stories I find most interesting position them not as chaos and order or good and evil but as two "inner voices" going back and forth on questions of human nature. Joker wants to believe Batman's right, but the role he plays compels him to make Bruce prove his convictions over and over again, and they're trapped in a cycle where he often escalates to truly monstrous evils as a direct result of their inability to reconcile their philosophical positions. You can't make the question of why humanity is worth saving despite all the evil in the world go away--and IMO this is what Joker actually represents, because he's most often a victim of it who then chooses to fully embody it to reclaim power over it--you can only find an answer you can live with. If they can't both exist it's a tragedy. The cycle goes back and repeats. 

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  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,173

    Fauvist said:

    namffuak said:

    SauronLivez said:

    I would argue it from a different perspective: they haven't.  Comic readership has steadily declined.  Sales are but a fraction of what they were during the Gold and Silver Ages.  I loved comic books as a kid.  And I'll always have a soft spot for them.  But I'm old (in my 50s.)  I'd say nostalgia sustains the comic medium. 

    How many net new readers are getting into superhero comics today?

    I'd argue today that movies and videogames get all the attention and entertainment dollars that comic books once did.  I don't see a lot of growth for superheroes in the comic-book medium.  But they're doing just great in movies, tv shows and videogames! 

    Yeah, I mentioned this above. My friend was a Junior High English teacher; 20 years ago he was complaining that kids just don't read anymore, and it's gotten much worse since. Then there's the economics. Back when I was twelve I'd get my weekly fifty cents allowance and make a bee-line for the corner grocery. I'd buy two comics and an apple pie - and save the other twenty cents. Two comics now runs between eight and ten dollars. I'm resonably certain that the average twelve year old now isn't getting between fifteen and twenty dollars a week as an allowance.

    Can I ask you what the comics were?  And what made them appeal to you? 

    The usual suspects for the time - with a few less common. Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, The Flash; Iron Man and The Fantastic Four. Also Donald Duck, Scrooge McDuck. For the most part, the story lines were my interest - and the reason I ignored the other Marvel characters; too much suspension of disbelief required. I gave up on Iron Man when he upgraded the suit and mentioned the new boots with the transistorized jets that let him fly greater distances and faster - and I threw the comic across the room in disgust. I knew transistors just didn't work that way. I quit comics at 17; the plot lines were repeating.

    I got back into comics in my mid twentys - I saw an announcement that an outfit was reprinting all the Carl Barks Uncle Scrooge comics and searched out my local comic shop. I quickly discovered that the DC and Marvel comics didn't appeal to me. But - this was about the time Neil Gaiman started the Sandman books and I found other equally well written and illustrated books in DC's Vertigo line and several other lines pushing the envelope with interesting, well crafted stories.

    That carried through until the pandemic. For some reason, all the interesting side comics just dried up. I made my last trip to the comic shop in February this year after a year of looking for anything I considered interesting.

  • Any serial IMHO needs a good cliffhanger -- presents the need to buy the next edition.

  • y3kmany3kman Posts: 802

    namffuak said:

    SauronLivez said:

    I would argue it from a different perspective: they haven't.  Comic readership has steadily declined.  Sales are but a fraction of what they were during the Gold and Silver Ages.  I loved comic books as a kid.  And I'll always have a soft spot for them.  But I'm old (in my 50s.)  I'd say nostalgia sustains the comic medium. 

    How many net new readers are getting into superhero comics today?

    I'd argue today that movies and videogames get all the attention and entertainment dollars that comic books once did.  I don't see a lot of growth for superheroes in the comic-book medium.  But they're doing just great in movies, tv shows and videogames! 

    Yeah, I mentioned this above. My friend was a Junior High English teacher; 20 years ago he was complaining that kids just don't read anymore, and it's gotten much worse since. Then there's the economics. Back when I was twelve I'd get my weekly fifty cents allowance and make a bee-line for the corner grocery. I'd buy two comics and an apple pie - and save the other twenty cents. Two comics now runs between eight and ten dollars. I'm resonably certain that the average twelve year old now isn't getting between fifteen and twenty dollars a week as an allowance.

     Kids still read but some of them preferJapanese manga. The  retcons made me lose interest in superhero comics. It's also easier to recommend manga since you just tell the other person to start with volume  one. IMO, comics are  harder to  follow because of the different authors and story arcs. Don't get me started complaining about Scarlet Witch.

  • y3kman said:

    namffuak said:

    SauronLivez said:

    I would argue it from a different perspective: they haven't.  Comic readership has steadily declined.  Sales are but a fraction of what they were during the Gold and Silver Ages.  I loved comic books as a kid.  And I'll always have a soft spot for them.  But I'm old (in my 50s.)  I'd say nostalgia sustains the comic medium. 

    How many net new readers are getting into superhero comics today?

    I'd argue today that movies and videogames get all the attention and entertainment dollars that comic books once did.  I don't see a lot of growth for superheroes in the comic-book medium.  But they're doing just great in movies, tv shows and videogames! 

    Yeah, I mentioned this above. My friend was a Junior High English teacher; 20 years ago he was complaining that kids just don't read anymore, and it's gotten much worse since. Then there's the economics. Back when I was twelve I'd get my weekly fifty cents allowance and make a bee-line for the corner grocery. I'd buy two comics and an apple pie - and save the other twenty cents. Two comics now runs between eight and ten dollars. I'm resonably certain that the average twelve year old now isn't getting between fifteen and twenty dollars a week as an allowance.

     Kids still read but some of them preferJapanese manga. The  retcons made me lose interest in superhero comics. It's also easier to recommend manga since you just tell the other person to start with volume  one. IMO, comics are  harder to  follow because of the different authors and story arcs. Don't get me started complaining about Scarlet Witch.

    Good point about manga...it routinely outsells American superhero comics. I follow superheroes more than comic books today so I couldn't tell you why but Manga definitely sells!
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