Windows 11 ,Upgrade ?

Yes ,No ,does it really matter to D/S ?

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  • Daz does run on it. Then there is all the telemetry that comes with 11 more than 10. There are ways to turn them off and then lose some functionality—the most basic way to do this is without messing up windows functions.

    • Under Windows Settings, select the ‘Privacy’ option.
    • On the next screen, select ‘Feedback & diagnostics’ from the left pane and then change the Diagnostics and usage data settings to basic.

     There is a lot more that can be disabled. Things like helping Cortana make your life easier, collecting typing for correcting your spell, and basic voice patterns to help recognize your voice (Cortana). Then hello, Windows fingerprint scans and face recognition. All or most of this data is sent to Microsoft. If you bought your computer with OS with Windows, your BitLocker key is online at Microsoft.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,202

    AgitatedRiot said:

    Daz does run on it. Then there is all the telemetry that comes with 11 more than 10. There are ways to turn them off and then lose some functionality—the most basic way to do this is without messing up windows functions.

    • Under Windows Settings, select the ‘Privacy’ option.
    • On the next screen, select ‘Feedback & diagnostics’ from the left pane and then change the Diagnostics and usage data settings to basic.

     There is a lot more that can be disabled. Things like helping Cortana make your life easier, collecting typing for correcting your spell, and basic voice patterns to help recognize your voice (Cortana). Then hello, Windows fingerprint scans and face recognition. All or most of this data is sent to Microsoft. If you bought your computer with OS with Windows, your BitLocker key is online at Microsoft.

    ...I thought rubbish like Cortana and other "features" that hamstring basic operations if disabled were to be dumped in 11.

  • If your system is running W10 fine, I wouldn't upgrade to 11. I have W10 on my desktop and W11 on my new laptop and I don't see any reason upgrade the OS on the desktop.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    wurger said:

    If your system is running W10 fine, I wouldn't upgrade to 11. I have W10 on my desktop and W11 on my new laptop and I don't see any reason upgrade the OS on the desktop.

    Yeah... One should ask oneself, why would I update? Does the newer OS provide tools or other benefits that one needs or what is the incentive?

    Just because something is newer, does not mean that it's better.

    The latest and greatest ax may have radio, 50" satellite TV with internet access and a refrigerator integrated into the carbon fiber handle with multicolor blinking lights, but does it split logs better than grandfathers old ax?

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,065

    About the only time you would want to go to Win 11 is if you have a 12th Gen and upcoming 13th Gen Intel CPU. Since Win 11 is supposed to support those CPU's a lot better than Win 10 can, due to the P and E cores.

    If you don't have any of those CPU's I would hold onto Win 10 until its EOL in 2025.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,202

    ..still on 7 pro two years and eight months past EOL here. 

  • I was apprehensive about taking the leap but after I found out that one of my PC's motherboard which is AMD based has fTPM I just went ahead and upgraded one day without hesitation. The worst thing that could happen is I have to take time to go back to Windows 10. So what.

    Apart from the taskbar trying to win Mac users I guess which I couldn't careless about, it's just like Windows 10 with some UI enhancements.

    You can always make an image backup.

    D|S is working just fine. Peachy.

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,437
    edited October 2022

    kyoto kid said:

    AgitatedRiot said:

    Daz does run on it. Then there is all the telemetry that comes with 11 more than 10. There are ways to turn them off and then lose some functionality—the most basic way to do this is without messing up windows functions.

    • Under Windows Settings, select the ‘Privacy’ option.
    • On the next screen, select ‘Feedback & diagnostics’ from the left pane and then change the Diagnostics and usage data settings to basic.

     There is a lot more that can be disabled. Things like helping Cortana make your life easier, collecting typing for correcting your spell, and basic voice patterns to help recognize your voice (Cortana). Then hello, Windows fingerprint scans and face recognition. All or most of this data is sent to Microsoft. If you bought your computer with OS with Windows, your BitLocker key is online at Microsoft.

    ...I thought rubbish like Cortana and other "features" that hamstring basic operations if disabled were to be dumped in 11.

    Yes, and No, I don't use Cortana, but it's disabled. There are certain things you certainly don't want disabled. Has anyone here ever heard of Black Viper?

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,202

    ...well, I'd rather just uninstall the "fluffware" I don't need, but if that compromises basic OS functions because it is integrated into the OS kernel, that's just a bad idea.  The issue with just "turning off" such features is they return like a bad penny on the next update.

    Now that MS is throwing feature updates at W11 users whenever they please (rather than by schedule), that is also a "no -go". 

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,065
    edited October 2022

    kyoto kid said:

    ...well, I'd rather just uninstall the "fluffware" I don't need, but if that compromises basic OS functions because it is integrated into the OS kernel, that's just a bad idea.  The issue with just "turning off" such features is they return like a bad penny on the next update.

    Now that MS is throwing feature updates at W11 users whenever they please (rather than by schedule), that is also a "no -go". 

    Just know that eventually you will have to upgrade, more so if you get some newer hardware as Win 7 can only go so far. With later CPU's Intel 12th & 13th Gen ( not sure about AMD) and later Nvidia GPU's and drivers no longer suppoorting Win 7, it is pretty much a case of no choice in the end. And since Daz Studio does not have proper native Linux support, can't really go that route either.

    inception8 said:

    I was apprehensive about taking the leap but after I found out that one of my PC's motherboard which is AMD based has fTPM I just went ahead and upgraded one day without hesitation. The worst thing that could happen is I have to take time to go back to Windows 10. So what.

    Apart from the taskbar trying to win Mac users I guess which I couldn't careless about, it's just like Windows 10 with some UI enhancements.

    You can always make an image backup.

    D|S is working just fine. Peachy.

    I would go to Win 11 if my current Win 10 installation ended up so bad I had to do a reinstall.

    Post edited by Ghosty12 on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,202
    edited October 2022

    Ghosty12 said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...well, I'd rather just uninstall the "fluffware" I don't need, but if that compromises basic OS functions because it is integrated into the OS kernel, that's just a bad idea.  The issue with just "turning off" such features is they return like a bad penny on the next update.

    Now that MS is throwing feature updates at W11 users whenever they please (rather than by schedule), that is also a "no -go". 

    Just know that eventually you will have to upgrade, more so if you get some newer hardware as Win 7 can only go so far. With later CPU's Intel 12th & 13th Gen ( not sure about AMD) and later Nvidia GPU's and drivers no longer suppoorting Win 7, it is pretty much a case of no choice in the end. And since Daz Studio does not have proper native Linux support, can't really go that route either.

    ...I am well aware of that. Once I no longer can perform GPU rendering in Iray (I am currently five driver revisions ahead of the one required for 4.20.x) or Daz drops W7 support (like when v 5.x, finally rolls out). I will just stay with whatever version of Daz/Iray I am on that still works

    One way to sidestep the OS limitations for the final rendering is rendering in the cloud (such as using the Boost service mentioned in the forums here) which I am considering oncshould Daz/Iray eventually exceed the driver version/OS requirement. Yes, the trade-off is extra cost, but I would still be able to run test renders locally before I commit a scene to the cloud for the final go.

    Another option is returning to 3DL using the latest AweShader system which I've seen produce some really high quality results on the 3DL render thread that are almost on par with Iray.  Another option would be going through Blender via a Linux VM.

    Until MS goes back to providing a more basic and elegant OS model that gives control back to us more experienced users to configure the OS as we need for our purposes, and not what they "think" we need, I am staying on 7.  I need an OS to do what it is supposed, run system processes and support software. not throw some sort of bloated and useless digital "experience" at me.. 

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,065

    kyoto kid said:

    Ghosty12 said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...well, I'd rather just uninstall the "fluffware" I don't need, but if that compromises basic OS functions because it is integrated into the OS kernel, that's just a bad idea.  The issue with just "turning off" such features is they return like a bad penny on the next update.

    Now that MS is throwing feature updates at W11 users whenever they please (rather than by schedule), that is also a "no -go". 

    Just know that eventually you will have to upgrade, more so if you get some newer hardware as Win 7 can only go so far. With later CPU's Intel 12th & 13th Gen ( not sure about AMD) and later Nvidia GPU's and drivers no longer suppoorting Win 7, it is pretty much a case of no choice in the end. And since Daz Studio does not have proper native Linux support, can't really go that route either.

    ...I am well aware of that. Once I no longer can perform GPU rendering in Iray (I am currently five driver revisions ahead of the one required for 4.20.x) or Daz drops W7 support (like when v 5.x, finally rolls out). I will just stay with whatever version of Daz/Iray I am on that still works

    One way to sidestep the OS limitations for the final rendering is rendering in the cloud (such as using the Boost service mentioned in the forums here) which I am considering oncshould Daz/Iray eventually exceed the driver version/OS requirement. Yes, the trade-off is extra cost, but I would still be able to run test renders locally before I commit a scene to the cloud for the final go.

    Another option is returning to 3DL using the latest AweShader system which I've seen produce some really high quality results on the 3DL render thread that are almost on par with Iray.  Another option would be going through Blender via a Linux VM.

    Until MS goes back to providing a more basic and elegant OS model that gives control back to us more experienced users to configure the OS as we need for our purposes, and not what they "think" we need, I am staying on 7.  I need an OS to do what it is supposed, run system processes and support software. not throw some sort of bloated and useless digital "experience" at me.. 

    Unfortunately with how Microsoft seem to be I don't see that happening. If Daz Studio had a native Linux version I would switch to Linux, but for reasons we will never know I don't see that happening. sad

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